Newcastle Plane off the Runway

[N707ZS]

Quote from the BBC

"They seemed fine in all honesty, it's just they were disembarking in a different position. Most of them did not realise anything was different".

Must be one of the all time best from the media.

[reverserunlocked]

'The front nose wheel of the aircraft remained on the hard surface of the runway at all times' according to the beeb report, so hardly even an overrun.

Not even any need for Joe Patroni and one of his cigars!

I bet the inbound (and then put outbound) BA had some very unhappy Geordies on it when they found themselves back at LHR!

[Bolli]

From what i know, Newcastle/Druham has quite a bit of snow. I wonder whether this was a factor- if it was still falling?

Also looking at the end of the runway, there are a series of crosses, from what it sounds like, it stopped on those.

Newcastle Airport closed after jet skids on runway | The Sun |News has a larger picture

[D O Guerrero]

I blame Ryanair. How come no-one has mentioned this? They fly the 737-800 after all. Must be something to do with pay-to-fly cadets.

[rottenray]

DO - absolutely hilarious.

Thanks for a good laugh.

RR

[BlueTui]

Thomson Airways the media are fools, one would of expected better on here.

[martinidoc]

I departed ncl yesterday am. Very little snow but seemed to take a long time to clear runway. Before the Copenhagen/Parkin cuts about 5 yrs ago there enough ploughs to keep rwy and taxiways clear pretty well all the time. Probably had to close airfield because they didnt have enough staff or equipment to move A/C. Would be interested to know what the rwy condition was at time.

[helen-damnation]

I blame Ryanair

Very good. However, MOL is still a T#@t.

End of threadcreep

[BOAC]

Originally Posted by N49

It's called braking.

- actually, N49, that is more likely to be called 'antiskid activity' which gives us a little clue as to what was happening. Any BA/Snowtam for the period available?

[BEagle]

Actually Nicholas49, what the passenger described sounded very much to me like the anti-skid system in operation: "The pilot was putting the brakes on and off".

To me this indicated that the runway surface friction coefficient was pretty low.

[APR to Arm]

The previous report of 6mm Wet snow is incorrect it was reported as 5mm which in my opinion it was not. It was more like 2mm and DRY and there were no reports of the braking action. The landing Speedbird prior to our departure reported that the braking action was good.

[Tashengurt]

I'm always impressed by how quickly the most uncontroversial thread descends into bitching about trivia. This one takes the prize.
It was 6mm, it was 5mm. It was braking, it was anti skid. They said it, we said it. YAWN F*CKING YAWN!

[Nicholas49]

BOAC / BEagle - fair enough, if that's what he really said. Post deleted.

I still find it ridiculous that everything aviation-related must be dumbed down to such an extent when discussed in the press. Could we not temporarily lift the ban on pilots giving interviews to the press so they could explain what really happened?! And yes, I do know why that can't happen!

[tyne]

You fly planes - people are interested in that. A plane makes a landing that is not normal - that sadly is news.

I think the problem with aviation reporting is that the public in general are still scared of flying. Its that all or nothing situation if it goes wrong so there is that "what if" "It could have been me" factor.

Yes I know its not as simple as that but, what you do interests the public. The press cover it.

Its up to the airline media people to manage the press and do it properly.. Thats a very skilled job. Play it down, you are accused of covering stuff up. Give them everything and its hype.

[HighLow]

Runway Excursion at NCL

News Reports coming through of a ThomsonFly aircraft overshooting the runway at NCL.....

Lets hope this is NOT a repeat of last year when many UK Airports failed to uphold their responsibilities during winter operations.

ATC not prepared to give a braking action is threading on thin ice to say the least, Expecting the flight crew to make an assessment (from the flightdeck???)...This is just not acceptable,

The CAA will have to act now.
Safety Issue for sure, if things are left the way they are.

Suspect if the freeze continues or gets worse, this will not be the only runway excursion this winter season

High Low

[Abbey Road]

Lets hope this is NOT a repeat of last year when many UK Airports failed to uphold their responsibilities during winter operations.

ATC not prepared to give a braking action is threading on thin ice to say the least, Expecting the flight crew to make an assessment (from the flightdeck???)...This is just not acceptable,

And flight crews need to exercise some judgement too, perhaps? If enough info not available, divert?

Have you any idea how difficult it is for even the most experienced experts to make accurate assessments of Braking Action on contaminated runways?

[jackharr]

Off piste or piste off?

Jack

[HighLow]

With the greatest of respect, airports have been giving assessments of braking action for decades...all airports EXCEPT the UK?

Pilot Judgement? a bit hard descending down through 10,000 feet
We as pilots need information to make a judgement..with airports refusing to give braking action coefficients etc.. this is just turning into a farce

[F14]

I agree, the rest of the world seem capable of producing Braking Actions and accurate information on contamination. The UK is a joke in this respect.

I too feel that the UK CAA have to step in now. Even give the Canadians a call if we don't have the knowledge for cold weather airfield ops.

[Teevee]

more to it?

What was the weather at the time and what runway was in use?