Thomson and Air Berlin callsigns?
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Thomson and Air Berlin callsigns?
Hi all,
I'd like to ask if anyone knows the CALLSIGNS used by Thomson and Air Berlin on the following routes? Not the flight numbers, (eg AB 6442), but the ATC callsigns, eg "AirBerlin 664K"...
The routes I'm interested in finding out are:
Air Berlin: EDDM-LEPA and EDDM-GCTS
and
Thomson:
EGKK and EGCC -LEPA and -GCTS
Thanks!
I'd like to ask if anyone knows the CALLSIGNS used by Thomson and Air Berlin on the following routes? Not the flight numbers, (eg AB 6442), but the ATC callsigns, eg "AirBerlin 664K"...
The routes I'm interested in finding out are:
Air Berlin: EDDM-LEPA and EDDM-GCTS
and
Thomson:
EGKK and EGCC -LEPA and -GCTS
Thanks!
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Can't say I do but probably one way to find out would be to try and track these flights with either Flightradar24 or Radarvirtuel. If you you think you've picked up the correct flight you could cross-check it with Libhomeradar.
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If I understand your question correctly you are trying to link flight numbers to callsigns. If so I can help with a little info.
I know some of the Flights from MAN - TFS flights from linking Planeplotter data to airport departures. Liboradar helps but it certainly confuses me.
Anyway pasted straight from my excel sheet (so I hope it works):-
Callsign
TOM41Y TOM2762 Day 7 16:40
TOM8MT TOM2560 Day 5 09:10
There are plenty more flights but I have no data on them. Sorry.
If I understand your question correctly you are trying to link flight numbers to callsigns. If so I can help with a little info.
I know some of the Flights from MAN - TFS flights from linking Planeplotter data to airport departures. Liboradar helps but it certainly confuses me.
Anyway pasted straight from my excel sheet (so I hope it works):-
Callsign
TOM41Y TOM2762 Day 7 16:40
TOM8MT TOM2560 Day 5 09:10
There are plenty more flights but I have no data on them. Sorry.
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Caution... if the information is derived from SBS or similar in which the "callsign" is derived from Mode S, it may be incorrect. Crews sometimes input wrong "callsigns" so it's not trustworthy.
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Heathrow Director,
I appreciate the comments about accurate data from SBS boxes. I have seen many odd things pop up. However, the data I quoted in my previous post has been built up over many observed trips.
My wife things I am barmy but trying to keep my alpha-numeric codes upto date keeps me sane.
Cheers, Andy S
I appreciate the comments about accurate data from SBS boxes. I have seen many odd things pop up. However, the data I quoted in my previous post has been built up over many observed trips.
My wife things I am barmy but trying to keep my alpha-numeric codes upto date keeps me sane.
Cheers, Andy S
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The crews seldom put in the wrong callsign. Sometimes the ATC callsign (as put in the mode S transponder) is not the same as the flight number which the pax and various websites see. This is mainly to stop callsign and passenger confusion.
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The call signs for these flights are usually a random mix of numbers and letters which can and do change each time. However the commercial flight number( the one that appears on the flight departure board) does not change, but is usually not used as a call sign. If the call sign ends in a letter it can be assumed to be one of the random ones. Hope this helps.
By the way, the first number of the commercial flight number relates to the base that the flight originates from ie 2 for MAN and the second is the day of the week starting from 1 on Monday.
By the way, the first number of the commercial flight number relates to the base that the flight originates from ie 2 for MAN and the second is the day of the week starting from 1 on Monday.
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I agree with the random numbers/letters part of your message but I disagree when you say that they change. Looking out of my window at the moment (and using SBS/PP) I see TOM3BH departing from DSA on its way to TFS. I last saw this flight in early September and it was using the same alpha numeric code. I have months of observations for most carriers using these combinations and the codes very rarely change. Wizz Air are the most peculiar as the final letter seems to relate to the sector that the aircraft is flying that day but I am certainly not sure about that.
I find these codes fascinating but wonder if they really do make life easier for ATC?
Cheers,
Andy S
I agree with the random numbers/letters part of your message but I disagree when you say that they change. Looking out of my window at the moment (and using SBS/PP) I see TOM3BH departing from DSA on its way to TFS. I last saw this flight in early September and it was using the same alpha numeric code. I have months of observations for most carriers using these combinations and the codes very rarely change. Wizz Air are the most peculiar as the final letter seems to relate to the sector that the aircraft is flying that day but I am certainly not sure about that.
I find these codes fascinating but wonder if they really do make life easier for ATC?
Cheers,
Andy S
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I can say that for TOM the callsigns are random. They are created by a computer programme in our operations on a daily basis. It is to make sure that no flights have similar callsigns while in the same sector.
It doesnt take much of a disruption to cause lots of confusion, which is what the programme was to take care of.
They may be similar but they are suppose to be different. Thats what we have been told anyway.
Hope it helps.
It doesnt take much of a disruption to cause lots of confusion, which is what the programme was to take care of.
They may be similar but they are suppose to be different. Thats what we have been told anyway.
Hope it helps.
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The flight numbers at First Choice weren't random.
They were 4 digits, the 1st being the UK base number, the second being the day, and the 3rd and 4th being the route number. You could effectively look at a number and tell the origin, destination and day.
The flight numbers however differed.........the pilots used different callsigns to what was on the passengers tickets!
They were 4 digits, the 1st being the UK base number, the second being the day, and the 3rd and 4th being the route number. You could effectively look at a number and tell the origin, destination and day.
The flight numbers however differed.........the pilots used different callsigns to what was on the passengers tickets!
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Rjay259,
at last a man on the inside. As I said in my previous post, these things do intrigue me.
It is interesting that you say that TOM flights are random. Looking back in my database I have over 800 alpha numeric codes for TOM flights and I can tie these to individual flight numbers. I have no duplicates, i.e where a flight number has two alpha-numeric codes. If they are truly random then you would expect that the same flight numbers would appear with different a/n codes. This does not appear to be the case.
If the same flight numbers did come up with different codes on different days then I would go mad trying to tie them up.
At this time of day TOM flights are not the most numerous but just using SBS/PP I see the following:-
TOM43H on an NAP - EMA flight TOM7543 using the same code as last time I logged it earlier in October.
TOM1PC on a NAP - BHX TOM7557 using the same code as last week.
TOM1FJ on a MAH - CWL TOM6539 using the same code as when I last saw it in July.
As I say not very random.
Cheers,
Andy S
at last a man on the inside. As I said in my previous post, these things do intrigue me.
It is interesting that you say that TOM flights are random. Looking back in my database I have over 800 alpha numeric codes for TOM flights and I can tie these to individual flight numbers. I have no duplicates, i.e where a flight number has two alpha-numeric codes. If they are truly random then you would expect that the same flight numbers would appear with different a/n codes. This does not appear to be the case.
If the same flight numbers did come up with different codes on different days then I would go mad trying to tie them up.
At this time of day TOM flights are not the most numerous but just using SBS/PP I see the following:-
TOM43H on an NAP - EMA flight TOM7543 using the same code as last time I logged it earlier in October.
TOM1PC on a NAP - BHX TOM7557 using the same code as last week.
TOM1FJ on a MAH - CWL TOM6539 using the same code as when I last saw it in July.
As I say not very random.
Cheers,
Andy S
