Woman "locked" on board empty jet sues
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Fair play to her, it still baffles me how she was left un-noticed by anyone, but as we now know its an ERJ-145, where the stairs are integrated into the door, she would have seen that she could have got off the aircraft if she opened the door, which the crew tell you how to do, its even on a piece of card!
Even if it was a huge aircraft, such as a B777, she could have opened the door and realised that yes, the slide may not deploy even with her pulling on a toggle, but it would have then occured to her to leave it open to attract the attention of ground workers.
The Airline left her there, that's true, but she's turning the whole thing into something much bigger by probably purposely not making any effort to get out. If she really felt so distressed she would have bothered to try and do something, its not hard to work out, its common sense.
Even if it was a huge aircraft, such as a B777, she could have opened the door and realised that yes, the slide may not deploy even with her pulling on a toggle, but it would have then occured to her to leave it open to attract the attention of ground workers.
The Airline left her there, that's true, but she's turning the whole thing into something much bigger by probably purposely not making any effort to get out. If she really felt so distressed she would have bothered to try and do something, its not hard to work out, its common sense.
Have you ever witnessed how eager CC are to get off their a/c in the U.S.?
The issue of getting out is irrelevant. She should never have been left there in the first place. Bottom line: CC negligence, period. No blame on TSA or police as they obviously had to do their job and establish WTF was going on. 100% CC's (and thus the airline's) fault. Next case please.
The issue of getting out is irrelevant. She should never have been left there in the first place. Bottom line: CC negligence, period. No blame on TSA or police as they obviously had to do their job and establish WTF was going on. 100% CC's (and thus the airline's) fault. Next case please.
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she's turning the whole thing into something much bigger by probably purposely not making any effort to get out. If she really felt so distressed she would have bothered to try and do something, its not hard to work out, its common sense
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I didn't say that she should have jumped out and wandered around the apron, if it was a bigger aircraft, she could have left the door open and remained on-board, and could have stood right near the exit attracting even more attention.
Tell me, does that look more suspicious to you rather than just sitting on-board with all doors shut waiting for someone to come?
I think not.
Tell me, does that look more suspicious to you rather than just sitting on-board with all doors shut waiting for someone to come?
I think not.
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Like it or not Avman is right.....with one possible exception
"Have you ever witnessed how eager CC are to get off their a/c in the U.S.?
The issue of getting out is irrelevant. She should never have been left there in the first place. Bottom line: CC negligence, period. No blame on TSA or police as they obviously had to do their job and establish WTF was going on. 100% CC's (and thus the airline's) fault. Next case please."
As usual we don't have all the facts. However with what has been presented it does appear CC negligence. It doesn't matter what we think of the womman herself, a crew does not leave a passenger alone in the jet after arriving at the destination-period.
The exception is whether or not this was a set up and intentional where woman hid from the CC. That is unlikely but not beyond the realm of possibility.
Another thing that is "different" about flying for a living is that most of the time it is so routine. The same process over and over. However, when things go badly and all it takes is an introduction of some seemingly insignificant event or item, and the flight can go terribly wrong. Children flying alone left on jets after they should have gotten off ending up in cities they were never supposed to be in, people turning right instead of left as they disembark and falling out of a door left open for catering and ventalation, shipping things not allowed on aircraft starting a self sustaining cargo fire.................
SOPs, training and policy; much of it is developed because somewhere, sometime somebody got hurt or something was destroyed. It is often said flying regulations are written in blood. When we do not follow procedures we "poke at the tiger through the cage bars with a stick". Now what do you suppose the crew is going to tell their manager(s) to explain how this person was left on the jet? I would be very interested in thier side of the story!
The issue of getting out is irrelevant. She should never have been left there in the first place. Bottom line: CC negligence, period. No blame on TSA or police as they obviously had to do their job and establish WTF was going on. 100% CC's (and thus the airline's) fault. Next case please."
As usual we don't have all the facts. However with what has been presented it does appear CC negligence. It doesn't matter what we think of the womman herself, a crew does not leave a passenger alone in the jet after arriving at the destination-period.
The exception is whether or not this was a set up and intentional where woman hid from the CC. That is unlikely but not beyond the realm of possibility.
Another thing that is "different" about flying for a living is that most of the time it is so routine. The same process over and over. However, when things go badly and all it takes is an introduction of some seemingly insignificant event or item, and the flight can go terribly wrong. Children flying alone left on jets after they should have gotten off ending up in cities they were never supposed to be in, people turning right instead of left as they disembark and falling out of a door left open for catering and ventalation, shipping things not allowed on aircraft starting a self sustaining cargo fire.................
SOPs, training and policy; much of it is developed because somewhere, sometime somebody got hurt or something was destroyed. It is often said flying regulations are written in blood. When we do not follow procedures we "poke at the tiger through the cage bars with a stick". Now what do you suppose the crew is going to tell their manager(s) to explain how this person was left on the jet? I would be very interested in thier side of the story!
