RYR depart 1 min 20 behind a heavy.....
I wonder no one mentions Rome. In FCO departing runway 25 they clear you to take off as soon as the preceeding lifts off.
However I have witnessed that only with medium behind medium (but mind you that can mean rather small bizjet behind A321).
However I have witnessed that only with medium behind medium (but mind you that can mean rather small bizjet behind A321).
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Stator,
We were no 3 for 15R, RYR 7764 was the aircraft in question, taking off on 15R immediately behind an A-340, also on 15R. A pilot gave the 'warning'. ATC said "ok' or words to that effect.
Heathrow Director,
Does your timing start from take off roll or rotation point? I've never heard of the later being a criteria. I do, however, always witness aircraft releasing brakes at the 2 min point in the UK...... (not that wake turbulence knows which nation it is about to bite!!)
We were no 3 for 15R, RYR 7764 was the aircraft in question, taking off on 15R immediately behind an A-340, also on 15R. A pilot gave the 'warning'. ATC said "ok' or words to that effect.
Heathrow Director,
Does your timing start from take off roll or rotation point? I've never heard of the later being a criteria. I do, however, always witness aircraft releasing brakes at the 2 min point in the UK...... (not that wake turbulence knows which nation it is about to bite!!)
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Maybe everybody was happy because it was 2 min and the policeman simply timed it wrong...
Probably the same policeman who always sees 10 or 20 knots more than he actually flies!
Probably the same policeman who always sees 10 or 20 knots more than he actually flies!
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Get a grip here, folks.
If the concerned FD crew were quite happy with their clearance, as was ATC, it is hardly anyone elses business...now is it?
I would suggest for those that are so quick to criticise...none of your business.
If the concerned FD crew were quite happy with their clearance, as was ATC, it is hardly anyone elses business...now is it?
I would suggest for those that are so quick to criticise...none of your business.
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Too many people here like to be judge, jury and executioner. Lets not hang these guys yet until there is concrete evidence. Although it does sound like we have a very good eye witness account.
I've been on a flight (as pax) where the captain used his discretion and did not apply sensible wake separation for T/O. We ended up with approx 15 degrees right wing down followed immediately by approx 25 degrees left wing down, this all happened just after rotation. Not pleasant at all!
I've been on a flight (as pax) where the captain used his discretion and did not apply sensible wake separation for T/O. We ended up with approx 15 degrees right wing down followed immediately by approx 25 degrees left wing down, this all happened just after rotation. Not pleasant at all!
Heathrow Director, some years ago I flew into LHR as well and seem to recall often distance separation was used as well instead of time separation. On take off. Do I recall correct, or is this impossible?
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ray cosmic. Distance separation on landing, time on take-off. Distance on take-off was rarely used when I left there, nearly 20 years ago so doubt if it's used now. Occasionally, with a fast following a slow we would contact the TMA if time was going to be excessive and they'd agree to 4nm, or something similar.
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