Near miss at BHX 10/09/09?
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Near miss at BHX 10/09/09?
Hi please be gentle I am new here.
Did anyone witness or see any reports on the Air Lingus go-around when a light aircraft was taking off between 1300 and 1400 on 10/09/09
Any info would be of interest, any ideas what happenned say in the control tower?
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Did anyone witness or see any reports on the Air Lingus go-around when a light aircraft was taking off between 1300 and 1400 on 10/09/09
Any info would be of interest, any ideas what happenned say in the control tower?
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The 320 was pass the threshold and I would say over the turning circle at 33 end, before this a classic light aircraft had entered at golf and was on its take off role on 33. The 320 initiated a go around but am unsure if flight deck spotted this first or ATC instructed, however the light got in the air and the 320 passed over the top him. Never seen a 320 perform a go around from such a late stage before. Surprised it was not on camera as a few thousand people around in car park / perimeter and ITV + BBC outside on the Apron filming the 380 turn.
The last EI situation like this on 33 resulted in a full AAIB report ??? when a 146 was on take off and another light crossed the intersection, which was classed as a near miss
The last EI situation like this on 33 resulted in a full AAIB report ??? when a 146 was on take off and another light crossed the intersection, which was classed as a near miss
Did anyone witness or see any reports on the Air Lingus go-around when a light aircraft was taking off between 1300 and 1400 on 10/09/09
Surprised it was not on camera as a few thousand people around in car park / perimeter and ITV + BBC outside on the Apron filming the 380 turn
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It was on 9/9/09
I too saw the near miss, the A320 was over the turning circle on R/W 33 when it suddenly went up rather quick! Was wondering what was wrong, then we saw a single engined light aircraft just above the new terminal & not climbing very much. The A320 appeared to fly over him, but from the position we were at in the Viewing Gallery it was difficult to judge the height difference. Unfortunatly I'd turned my scanner off, so I can't comment on the radio calls.
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Adam
I too saw the near miss, the A320 was over the turning circle on R/W 33 when it suddenly went up rather quick! Was wondering what was wrong, then we saw a single engined light aircraft just above the new terminal & not climbing very much. The A320 appeared to fly over him, but from the position we were at in the Viewing Gallery it was difficult to judge the height difference. Unfortunatly I'd turned my scanner off, so I can't comment on the radio calls.
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Poor bloke, he's correctly posted in spectators corner, asked you to be gentle on him and your trying to make him look simple. Capt Caves answer is perhaps the most appropriate reply. I'm sure LHRD could give the technical term and perhaps mention that the Pilots and ATC have to fill forms in post such events. That said a fairly common daily occurance worldwide 
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This is Spectators Balcony, part of the Professional Pilots Rumour Network. If we are to co-exist in the same side-road of the 'Internet Superhighway', then Spotters must understand something. A go-around, at any altitude, even after touchdown, is not a hazardous or difficult procedure! If any pilot cannot do it safely, he should not be flying that plane, or let near paying customers. A pilot on final approach is completely constrained (exc Turkish Airways maybe). He has no choice in doing anything except 1-land, 2- go around. If a hazard develops, ATC will instruct (2). Pilot carries out (2). Amazingly simple and winning formula- it works. When viewed by an onlooker, it may appear he has just witnessed a near disaster. The pilot has not been a 'bit keen on landing!!!!!' or 'nearly landed on a xxxxxx(insert large object)!!!!!'. It's a perfectly normal procedure when you try and bring things in tight so as to not waste runway time- sometimes it doesn't work out, nobody gets blamed, no hazard whatsoever to anybody. It's just a go around!
So let's have less of this daft sensationalism here- you are not purely in a Spotter Forum- you are mixing with the actual people who do this, so nobody try and justify their sensationalism- because this is a Spotter section, you cannot spout garbage and get away with it. It happens every day at pressured places like Heathrow and Gatwick. It happened to me usually up to a couple of times a year- once at SFO from the flare. No drama- don't make a crisis out of it.
Do you appreciate how irritating it is to Professional Pilots? Even starting off with 'I'm a newbie, so please be gentle!.....'
You Spotters have a responsibility to the nervous flyers not to make an issue of it, otherwise they feel their nerves are justified. Regular spotters should know by now- otherwise learn here! Capice?
So let's have less of this daft sensationalism here- you are not purely in a Spotter Forum- you are mixing with the actual people who do this, so nobody try and justify their sensationalism- because this is a Spotter section, you cannot spout garbage and get away with it. It happens every day at pressured places like Heathrow and Gatwick. It happened to me usually up to a couple of times a year- once at SFO from the flare. No drama- don't make a crisis out of it.
Do you appreciate how irritating it is to Professional Pilots? Even starting off with 'I'm a newbie, so please be gentle!.....'
You Spotters have a responsibility to the nervous flyers not to make an issue of it, otherwise they feel their nerves are justified. Regular spotters should know by now- otherwise learn here! Capice?
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I was trying 'to find out what happened' about a go around at Gatwick a couple of weeks back and got the same derogatory replies from 'professionals'.
Its not enough to have an interest in aviation these days but you are required to have expert training, knowledge or inside information before you can comment, even on a Spotters forum.
Most of the time I don't know what I am talking about, so thats why I post in the Spotters forum and leave the 'professionals' to discuss all of the technical aspects of aviation.
I do agree though that the term 'Near miss' was inappropriate.
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Its not enough to have an interest in aviation these days but you are required to have expert training, knowledge or inside information before you can comment, even on a Spotters forum.
Most of the time I don't know what I am talking about, so thats why I post in the Spotters forum and leave the 'professionals' to discuss all of the technical aspects of aviation.
I do agree though that the term 'Near miss' was inappropriate.
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Doobs,
Go arounds are quite a normal procedure, at a busy single runway airport as LGW they need to get many in and out as quickly as is allowed, occasionally it doesn't work out, one might be a bit slow in departing hence the minimum seperation may have been lost thus a go around is instructed and/or taken.
Why not question why a car pulled in to a lay-by in front of you the other week, or what the breakdown truck was doing on a motorway services, that's how routine a go around may be!
Go arounds are quite a normal procedure, at a busy single runway airport as LGW they need to get many in and out as quickly as is allowed, occasionally it doesn't work out, one might be a bit slow in departing hence the minimum seperation may have been lost thus a go around is instructed and/or taken.
Why not question why a car pulled in to a lay-by in front of you the other week, or what the breakdown truck was doing on a motorway services, that's how routine a go around may be!
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Phileas Fogg.. A very wise posting. I, and others, just wish the anoraks would accept it. I've been a spotter all my life but cannot believe some of the nonsense written in this forum. What did these people do before the internet? Did they phone their local airport every time they saw a go-around? Why should anyone not professionally involved want to know "what happened"?
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I’m with Rainboe here, this site is aimed at people with a professional interest in aviation so us spotters/enthusiasts are only here by invitation. Though we add site traffic, page views, etc. which are important to a commercial operation.
Pilots are amongst the most skilled professionals in the world and nobody likes to have the competence of their profession questioned in public.
Perhaps something should be added to the Forum Users Please Read section: ‘ if you asking for clarification on something you have witnessed you should only post the facts as you saw them and hope a specialist will be able to interpret these. Leave the speculation to the Daily Mail’. Often the real world is more boring than we would like it to be.
Pilots are amongst the most skilled professionals in the world and nobody likes to have the competence of their profession questioned in public.
Perhaps something should be added to the Forum Users Please Read section: ‘ if you asking for clarification on something you have witnessed you should only post the facts as you saw them and hope a specialist will be able to interpret these. Leave the speculation to the Daily Mail’. Often the real world is more boring than we would like it to be.
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Why should anyone not professionally involved want to know "what happened"?
Last edited by phineas; 12th Sep 2009 at 13:05. Reason: removal of erroneous apostrophe
Can't find anything about me neraly missing my turn off driving home yesterday. There was some heavy braking involved too. I was too busy assessing the seperation between myself and the B738 landing parallel to me. Think we only had about 300 metres. It was a close thing I tell you.
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It took me a couple of attempts to park my car in Tesco's car park the other day, I didn't make it on the first attempt, I could have parked it but would have been a bit to close for comfort to the car in the next slot, so wisely decided to reverse to park it on the 2nd attempt.
I'm rather peeved that my 'go around' hasn't been raised on an internet forum!
I'm rather peeved that my 'go around' hasn't been raised on an internet forum!
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That's nothing - I did a real go around at LGW about a month ago.
Can't believe no-one has asked about it yet.
Can't believe no-one has asked about it yet.
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The OP gives this thread a title of Near miss at BHX. Then goes on to refer to a "go-around"
Go arounds are as has been explained on here and other threads a normal happening in aviation.
I am not suprised that the professional pilots take umbrage at posts such as this.
Regards,
G-BPED
Go arounds are as has been explained on here and other threads a normal happening in aviation.
I am not suprised that the professional pilots take umbrage at posts such as this.
Regards,
G-BPED