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Remember the A380HD for EK is going to be a 644 seater. And Unless BHX is getting more than that number of pax per day, it's remains a candidate for a "2 into 1" EK special. Especially if the BHX figures remain so much smaller than MAN even when they are generating 1768 pax per day in peak periods (assuming you mean both services operating at full load).
The lack of cargo space is something that may be eradicated using a dedicated freighter service.
The lack of cargo space is something that may be eradicated using a dedicated freighter service.
Looks as though Emirates has committed a deadly sin in daring to put their shiny new 380 into BHX on a scheduled service before MAN sees one in similar circumstances!
It's a PR stunt as much as anything else. I feel sure I read somewhere that in terms of length it is shorter than the 773, and imagine that all the taxiways are perfectly wide enough to take a 380. I know nothing of the 380s performance and therefore just how payload restricted it will be off BHX, but it is absolutely inconceivable that Emirates would be even thinking of using the type unless it was operating within it's certificated limits.
As for First class, whilst it's absolutely clear that the UK regional routes are more leisure orientated, and it's only those around London with more money (usually someone else's rather than their own) to fritter that will partake of First class that doesn't mean there is no demand - and it would come as no surprise if they got more than a couple of punters up front.
It's a PR stunt as much as anything else. I feel sure I read somewhere that in terms of length it is shorter than the 773, and imagine that all the taxiways are perfectly wide enough to take a 380. I know nothing of the 380s performance and therefore just how payload restricted it will be off BHX, but it is absolutely inconceivable that Emirates would be even thinking of using the type unless it was operating within it's certificated limits.
As for First class, whilst it's absolutely clear that the UK regional routes are more leisure orientated, and it's only those around London with more money (usually someone else's rather than their own) to fritter that will partake of First class that doesn't mean there is no demand - and it would come as no surprise if they got more than a couple of punters up front.
Given the LDA in Birmingham is about 2000m - this should be interesting!
Landing distance at MLW, Trents, 300', 1900 m
So they have got around 300m to play with at max landing weight. It will want to be down before the 06/24 intersection!
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MLW 386 000 kgs
Landing distance at MLW, Trents, 300', 1900 m
So they have got around 300m to play with at max landing weight. It will want to be down before the 06/24 intersection!
Landing distance at MLW, Trents, 300', 1900 m
So they have got around 300m to play with at max landing weight. It will want to be down before the 06/24 intersection!
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Doors to Automatic - how many commercial aircraft have you seen touching down after the "old" 06/24 intersection then? None if any I would suggest particularly if they were landing on 15 
EK's MLW has been certified for the 380 as 391T by the way.
Looking at the arrivals into LHR, a typical landing weight seems to be around the 373T mark. Even with a MZFW into LHR the landing weight is around 377T. It would be reasonable to assume then that for BHX even at MZFW the landing weight would be around the 380T mark taking into account the slight increase in fuel burn and flight time for BHX over LHR.
For BHX the landing performance even at MZFW plus the required fuel reserves is not going to create any problems for the beast.
The boffins in the EK flight performance office will have done their calculations many times over to ensure this visit cannot turn into a PR embarrassment due to any oversights, and seeing as local boy TC will no doubt be on board.
EK's MLW has been certified for the 380 as 391T by the way.
Looking at the arrivals into LHR, a typical landing weight seems to be around the 373T mark. Even with a MZFW into LHR the landing weight is around 377T. It would be reasonable to assume then that for BHX even at MZFW the landing weight would be around the 380T mark taking into account the slight increase in fuel burn and flight time for BHX over LHR.
For BHX the landing performance even at MZFW plus the required fuel reserves is not going to create any problems for the beast.
The boffins in the EK flight performance office will have done their calculations many times over to ensure this visit cannot turn into a PR embarrassment due to any oversights, and seeing as local boy TC will no doubt be on board.
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You would be surprised how many a/c touched down north of the old 06/24.
I ran out of my office one day after an A.321 floated by with still a few feet to drop.
I anticipated another closure whilst it was dragged out of the soft, but luckily
it exited fairly normally via A1.
You would be surprised how many a/c touched down north of the old 06/24.
I ran out of my office one day after an A.321 floated by with still a few feet to drop.
I anticipated another closure whilst it was dragged out of the soft, but luckily
it exited fairly normally via A1.
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rumours have it emirates will be flying 2 A380's into Bhx on the 9th september first 1 landing at 12.05 the second landing at 15.05 this is coming from news sources
Doors to Automatic - how many commercial aircraft have you seen touching down after the "old" 06/24 intersection then? None if any I would suggest particularly if they were landing on 15
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That when it arrives it cannot use the out two reversers only the inner two due to the overhang / wingspan ? Full runway sweeps before landing / after landing / before takeoff / after take off ???? standard practice ?
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I hope Brum are better prepared for the 380 than their colleagues at LGW. Despite being declared as a 380 diversion field, when SIA had to divert into LGW some months ago (due to an evacuation of the tower at LHR), it was embarrassing to see the length of wait while the ops guys had to physically measure the taxiways to see which routing the beast could take to stand.
You'd have thought a half intelligent individual would have thought this minor detail out beforehand.
As Brum is considerably less well-organised than LGW, I expect much egg on face.
You'd have thought a half intelligent individual would have thought this minor detail out beforehand.
As Brum is considerably less well-organised than LGW, I expect much egg on face.
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it was embarrassing to see the length of wait while the ops guys had to physically measure the taxiways to see which routing the beast could take to stand.
You'd have thought a half intelligent individual would have thought this minor detail out beforehand.
You'd have thought a half intelligent individual would have thought this minor detail out beforehand.
As Brum is considerably less well-organised than LGW, I expect much egg on face.
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For those interested about runway lengths, the A380 had loads of runway to play with, both on landing and take-off. Runway inspections caused a bit of delay, especially after take-off, however that is unsurprising as the A380 departed runway 15, whilst all other traffic was using runway 33 (so that the PR people could take photos of it rotating next to the Emirates pier I think). So even with a 12 knot wind blowing behind it, and carrying 325 passengers, the A380 had a fair amount of runway left.
The day appeared to go without a hitch, so well done to Emirates and BHX. It was even better having had two flypasts from the prototype last saturday too!
The day appeared to go without a hitch, so well done to Emirates and BHX. It was even better having had two flypasts from the prototype last saturday too!