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Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.
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You both make valid points and perhaps Rainboe, Myself and Others were a touch hard on the lad. Have a look through young H.A's thread postings though...
In more than one thread he seems to be trying to come across as an industry professional, a glance at the age indicator dispels that myth. In several others, he openly discusses his 'spotter' like behaviour. Not a problem, if i could have a scanner and one of the pocket transponder decoders where i live without being banged up for 30,000,000 years of hard labour i would.
Where the boy falls over is that he is trying, in many forums, from Virtual Airlines in the Flight Sim world, to Flight Sim add-on manufacturers, to this forum here, all the way through many others like this to be a different person in each.
I would imagine that many here, myself included (for i am a boring spotter / Flight Sim Addict / Computer Geek / Failed Pilot / Wannabe Heavy driver, whatever you wanna label me with) have become extremely fed-up with seeing this kid try and be so many things to so many people that it seems he suffers from some massive split personality disorder... I wouldn't be surprised to see him capitalise on that suggestion next - He was after all going to iminently top himself in a post on a Flight Sim add-on's manufacturers forum with a goodbye cruel world post.
He's an attention seeker, who thrives on starting precisely this type of argument. Albeit, it would seem entirely inadvertently.
I'm sure it's all a part of growing up, but a few hard knocks might help this boy decide which of the many personas he presents is actually him.
True, if we don't like it, we could all shut up, but what of all the great threads in all the great forums in all the world that have been killed because of H.A and others like him, who jump in and knacker it with a stupid, often pointless comment, which, had a millisecond's thought gone into anything before hitting the 'submit post' button, would probably still be getting dragged on with some lively and interesting discussion? Do we just sit back and say 'oh well, another kid butting into the convo - next thread'?
*Gets down off soapbox*
*Gets back onto soapbox*
I don't claim to know everything about everything, but i do like to think every now and again, and at least proof read a post. The art of communicating in written English is dying on its posteria, and if H.A is an example of the future of Aviation. I'll book the cruise now....
*let the flame war commence*
K
You both make valid points and perhaps Rainboe, Myself and Others were a touch hard on the lad. Have a look through young H.A's thread postings though...
In more than one thread he seems to be trying to come across as an industry professional, a glance at the age indicator dispels that myth. In several others, he openly discusses his 'spotter' like behaviour. Not a problem, if i could have a scanner and one of the pocket transponder decoders where i live without being banged up for 30,000,000 years of hard labour i would.
Where the boy falls over is that he is trying, in many forums, from Virtual Airlines in the Flight Sim world, to Flight Sim add-on manufacturers, to this forum here, all the way through many others like this to be a different person in each.
I would imagine that many here, myself included (for i am a boring spotter / Flight Sim Addict / Computer Geek / Failed Pilot / Wannabe Heavy driver, whatever you wanna label me with) have become extremely fed-up with seeing this kid try and be so many things to so many people that it seems he suffers from some massive split personality disorder... I wouldn't be surprised to see him capitalise on that suggestion next - He was after all going to iminently top himself in a post on a Flight Sim add-on's manufacturers forum with a goodbye cruel world post.
He's an attention seeker, who thrives on starting precisely this type of argument. Albeit, it would seem entirely inadvertently.
I'm sure it's all a part of growing up, but a few hard knocks might help this boy decide which of the many personas he presents is actually him.
True, if we don't like it, we could all shut up, but what of all the great threads in all the great forums in all the world that have been killed because of H.A and others like him, who jump in and knacker it with a stupid, often pointless comment, which, had a millisecond's thought gone into anything before hitting the 'submit post' button, would probably still be getting dragged on with some lively and interesting discussion? Do we just sit back and say 'oh well, another kid butting into the convo - next thread'?
*Gets down off soapbox*
*Gets back onto soapbox*
I don't claim to know everything about everything, but i do like to think every now and again, and at least proof read a post. The art of communicating in written English is dying on its posteria, and if H.A is an example of the future of Aviation. I'll book the cruise now....
*let the flame war commence*
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All the above, kinetika, but you have a competent and experienced mod looking after this forum.
- as always, it takes two to Tango.
is excellent advice. As I said, if anyone feels the mod has missed something dreadful, 'Report this Post' is there for just that purpose.
starting precisely this type of argument.
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But always remember..... DONT FEED THE TROLL!
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This is an aviation forum, not a place for baring one's psche or ripping one's shirt in public, so humility can go where the sun don't shine. Some spotters can make their daft interpretations of what is going on public, but not when they identify specific flights and airlines and crews to an incident that usually has never occured anyway. When that is recognised, we will all be one big happy Pprune family again! Maybe not.
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[QUOTE]There are many people on here from different walks of life, from cabin crew through to senior managers - if for example a senior manager was reading this and nothing had been reported to him then based upon your assertions a flight crew may be requested for tea (and no biscuits) with the .[QUOTE]
I work in a Gov dept and I get several complaints per day regarding staff and vehicles, if the person or persons making the complaint don't or won't leave personal details that is where the complaint stops.....
I would not take any notice of rumour web sites, and any management team that would should not be in such a position.
Perhaps in aviation you need kevlar jackets to stop the knives going into your back!!!!
I work in a Gov dept and I get several complaints per day regarding staff and vehicles, if the person or persons making the complaint don't or won't leave personal details that is where the complaint stops.....
I would not take any notice of rumour web sites, and any management team that would should not be in such a position.
Perhaps in aviation you need kevlar jackets to stop the knives going into your back!!!!
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Well this is extraordinary!!!! Whoever in their right mind would take notice of a RUMOUR?! Or hearsay? Or gossip from a website junkie?
And as for you, Rainboe, if you actually ARE a pilot (after all, we only have YOUR word for it) how would an aircraft be able to cover up a mistake such as this without ATC knowing???????????
Don't be ridiculous!!!! Are you SURE you're a pilot? You could be imagining all this you know!
And as for you, Rainboe, if you actually ARE a pilot (after all, we only have YOUR word for it) how would an aircraft be able to cover up a mistake such as this without ATC knowing???????????
Don't be ridiculous!!!! Are you SURE you're a pilot? You could be imagining all this you know!
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HA and Rainboe
Wow!
What a barrage of accusations for a curious 16 year old. Have you not forgotten how curious you were at that age?
Just browsed thru some of his posts and to me it looks more like an inquisitive kid who is spending his time in a lets say more productive manner than most of the other 16 year olds who become gang bangers at this age.
This section seems to be more for people who are curious and ask questions for professional pilots to answer or guide. Some of the responses are so harsh it makes me wonder if such short fuses are the norm or just an exception.
Brings back to mind Teneriffe!!!!!!
What a barrage of accusations for a curious 16 year old. Have you not forgotten how curious you were at that age?
Just browsed thru some of his posts and to me it looks more like an inquisitive kid who is spending his time in a lets say more productive manner than most of the other 16 year olds who become gang bangers at this age.
This section seems to be more for people who are curious and ask questions for professional pilots to answer or guide. Some of the responses are so harsh it makes me wonder if such short fuses are the norm or just an exception.
Brings back to mind Teneriffe!!!!!!
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'makes me wonder if such short fuses are the norm or just an exception.'
its not about short fuses, but more about self-officious pomposity. not confined to the 'spectators' area, either - check out the ATC Issues 'Biggin Twr/Thames thread for more of the same
if there's any bollocking to be handed out, it should be left to the moderators.
now where do ah sign up for ma self-offishaaal Prooon Depudee badge, y'all?
its not about short fuses, but more about self-officious pomposity. not confined to the 'spectators' area, either - check out the ATC Issues 'Biggin Twr/Thames thread for more of the same
if there's any bollocking to be handed out, it should be left to the moderators.
now where do ah sign up for ma self-offishaaal Prooon Depudee badge, y'all?
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HeathrowAirport,
I read your first post, then the second one and promptly skipped everything to the end.
One of our jumbos on a long distance flight (full tanks) entered the runway and some (a very small amount of) fuel escaped from the fuel vents on one wing. The next aircraft (not local airline) to line up got a bit 'over excited' by the fuel and reported it to tower who in turn shut the runway. Delay as a sweeper was found to clean up fuel...Fuel had actually almost all evaporated by the time sweeper arrived.
No big event. Aircraft that spilt the fuel was informed of possible 'fuel leak' but replied that it is normal and they were carrying a large amount of fuel.
I read your first post, then the second one and promptly skipped everything to the end.
One of our jumbos on a long distance flight (full tanks) entered the runway and some (a very small amount of) fuel escaped from the fuel vents on one wing. The next aircraft (not local airline) to line up got a bit 'over excited' by the fuel and reported it to tower who in turn shut the runway. Delay as a sweeper was found to clean up fuel...Fuel had actually almost all evaporated by the time sweeper arrived.
No big event. Aircraft that spilt the fuel was informed of possible 'fuel leak' but replied that it is normal and they were carrying a large amount of fuel.
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FlyUK Thanks very much for that reply, very Intresting to know that fuel can exit through vents becuase I never knew that, thanks 
Oh dear, another vatsimmer trying to rule my life. I really dont think you as a human being, and someone who is not related or whom does not know me has any right to sit there type and essay on making me look like im some crack pot fool. Sorry but you failed, most if not all people are adults and mature, you think I need growing up, but guess what I dont sit there having a go at one person becuase Im not up my tight on backside.
Yes thats right, becuase Im on cannabis and Im very high and shermed. I dont think I am a proffesional and would one day like to join those who do the great job, and you sitting there saying Im acting someone who I am not is just utterley pointless, I try and post with my General Knowledge not trying to act someone who I am not, understand that?
And to sit there looking through my threads in my oppinion only sad people who have no life would do so..
Do you really think being told you can never become a Commercial Airline pilot on the basis of missing the requirements by one line on the snellen chart was in my plans to attention seek, well you guessed wrong, it hit me hard and I just decided to leave the community for a while, and return when I was ready and strong enougth to do so.
And you really think you can put others down on medical conditions, its not my fault, and I think its quite cowardly for someone to sit there and call me an attention seeker, when the truth is, Ill never fly Commercialy with my current left eye being the way it is unless magic happens, and I bet youre laugthin at this matter. Coward.
And guys most if not all are proffesional..
Please tell me if this is acceptable? And In my eyes just someone from the aviation "Flight Sim community" that just wants a flame war on a forum. Very proffesional and adult in my oppinion.
*Let the Proffesional, adult and mature discussion begin"
Where the boy falls over is that he is trying, in many forums, from Virtual Airlines in the Flight Sim world, to Flight Sim add-on manufacturers, to this forum here, all the way through many others like this to be a different person in each.
In more than one thread he seems to be trying to come across as an industry professional
Yes thats right, becuase Im on cannabis and Im very high and shermed. I dont think I am a proffesional and would one day like to join those who do the great job, and you sitting there saying Im acting someone who I am not is just utterley pointless, I try and post with my General Knowledge not trying to act someone who I am not, understand that?
And to sit there looking through my threads in my oppinion only sad people who have no life would do so..
He's an attention seeker, who thrives on starting precisely this type of argument. - Flight Sim add-on's manufacturers forum with a goodbye cruel world post.
And you really think you can put others down on medical conditions, its not my fault, and I think its quite cowardly for someone to sit there and call me an attention seeker, when the truth is, Ill never fly Commercialy with my current left eye being the way it is unless magic happens, and I bet youre laugthin at this matter. Coward.
And guys most if not all are proffesional..
*let the flame war commence*
*Let the Proffesional, adult and mature discussion begin"
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HeathrowAirport,
May I politely suggest that you are well out of your depth here. Forgetting the fact that professional has one f and two s's, the "adult and mature" discussion has certainly not started with your post.
I'm sorry you will not be able to realise your dream due to medical reasons. That's harsh for anyone. But pick yourself up and do the next best thing, instead of worrying about whether others are laughing at you. Trust me, most have far too many worries of their own to have the time or inclination.
If you ask intelligent questions in the correct manner, you will get all the answers you seek and more. After all, most of us are here because we share a love for aviation. However, if you do get it wrong, which we all occassionally do, apologise. But make sure you learn from your mistakes, or the apology will become meaningless.
You are 16 and just learning that life is full of hard knocks. Let those knocks teach you how to relate to people and how to get on in life and you have the chance of a successful future. Ignore them and the future could be a much bleaker affair.
There are some incredibly intelligent and knowledgeable people hanging around on this forum. Sit back, listen, watch, occasionally ask your questions and you will have the opportunity to learn so much. Just make sure you think about all of your questions carefully, before putting them up for all to see and comment on.
It's all part of growing up, I'm afraid. (Yes, at 16, you are still growing up!) Sometimes it hurts like hell.
And there endeth my lecture!
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Originally Posted by HeathrowAirport
Let the Proffesional, adult and mature discussion begin
I'm sorry you will not be able to realise your dream due to medical reasons. That's harsh for anyone. But pick yourself up and do the next best thing, instead of worrying about whether others are laughing at you. Trust me, most have far too many worries of their own to have the time or inclination.
If you ask intelligent questions in the correct manner, you will get all the answers you seek and more. After all, most of us are here because we share a love for aviation. However, if you do get it wrong, which we all occassionally do, apologise. But make sure you learn from your mistakes, or the apology will become meaningless.
You are 16 and just learning that life is full of hard knocks. Let those knocks teach you how to relate to people and how to get on in life and you have the chance of a successful future. Ignore them and the future could be a much bleaker affair.
There are some incredibly intelligent and knowledgeable people hanging around on this forum. Sit back, listen, watch, occasionally ask your questions and you will have the opportunity to learn so much. Just make sure you think about all of your questions carefully, before putting them up for all to see and comment on.
It's all part of growing up, I'm afraid. (Yes, at 16, you are still growing up!) Sometimes it hurts like hell.
And there endeth my lecture!
Jsl
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can I just take this opportunity to say Rainboe that you are a horrid little man. I have been treated in this way by you in the past, and there really is no need for it. I understand that this is a proffessional pilots forum, but this is the spectators sub forum, a spectator being someone without the knowledge that you have.
To sum up Rainboe....... please get a life....
To sum up Rainboe....... please get a life....
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Originally Posted by scudpilot
can I just take this opportunity to say......
Originally Posted by scudpilot
......Rainboe that you are a horrid little man. I have been treated in this way by you in the past, and there really is no need for it. I understand that this is a proffessional pilots forum, but this is the spectators sub forum, a spectator being someone without the knowledge that you have.
To sum up Rainboe....... please get a life....
To sum up Rainboe....... please get a life....
And it's PROFESSIONAL......ONE F! I'm no spelling guru but I just mentioned it, one post above yours!
Scudpilot, there was a thread on Jetblast a while ago. All about being a delicate little flower. Maybe you should have a look. HA at least has the excuse of being young. You, on the other hand, do not!
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What interests me is that Rainboe made no particulay derogetory comment about the thread starter, just general comments about the types of posts that annoy him (and possibly others). Though I conceed that some would see those comments as a personal, incorrectly in my view.
Yet
There were a number of personal attacks against him/her.
So who was following the rules of the board and who was abusing them?
Yet
There were a number of personal attacks against him/her.
So who was following the rules of the board and who was abusing them?
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Ignoring the banter between the err... respected professionals and the spotter/non-spotters, exactly what kind of "trouble" for the crew are we envisaging here ? I assume that no-one is suggesting for a moment that IF they made some kind of error it should be hushed up . That is if it wouldn't have been reported to the appropriate authority anyway. A serious incident would come to light eventually - that information is available to any with a cursory knowledge of Google.
If you want to be precious, R&N is the place for you. This supposed to be one of the 'fun' fora; humour and humility and all that.
. That is if it wouldn't have been reported to the appropriate authority anyway. A serious incident would come to light eventually - that information is available to any with a cursory knowledge of Google.If you want to be precious, R&N is the place for you. This supposed to be one of the 'fun' fora; humour and humility and all that.
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Rainboes bang on target, quite recently some idiotic spotter photographed and posted photos on here of an aircraft which was about to depart for the United States ,this aircraft had a non structural access panel missing from one of the cargo doors, the spotter in question clearly with very little knowledge of subject was making a huge fuss over this missing panel , accusing engineers of negligence in allowing this aircraft to be dispatched in a unairworthy condition blah blah and even talking of to taking his story and his "evidence" to the press
It later transpired the aircraft had been dispatched quite legally by the engineers in question with this panel mising under the provisions of the config deviation manual, luckily this idiot and his story never made it to the press but it could have quite easily ballooned into yet another aviation near disaster story with all the resulting misinformed bad press for the airline and engineers in question
It later transpired the aircraft had been dispatched quite legally by the engineers in question with this panel mising under the provisions of the config deviation manual, luckily this idiot and his story never made it to the press but it could have quite easily ballooned into yet another aviation near disaster story with all the resulting misinformed bad press for the airline and engineers in question
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I remember, it was an A330 at MAN of BMI .He saw what appeared to be a hole in the cargo door. I too would have been *GREATLY* concerned had I seen what the photos appeared to show. I also remember the people who boarded a certain Aloha 737, saw a developing tear in the fuselage and never said anything to anyone. The gentlemen was IMHO, not an idiot and was right to point it out. As the thread proves, one mans "perfectly normal" is a genuine concern to another, where both are professionals in the same industry. One assumes that the pilot who reported the fuel spill was not being a hysterical idiot in mentioning this?
Rather like not understanding why an aircraft cannot be despatched with an *apparent* hole in the frieght door. One also remembers the UA B747 that lost a cargo door just after the Lockerbie tagedy? Just be a little more tolerant please guys.
I well recall a certain Heathrow departure being asked by a concerned Tower controller if he was aware he was missing a winglet......he was assured that the B744 could be so despatched, but he was right to say, "whoooa that looks wrong!"
Rather like not understanding why an aircraft cannot be despatched with an *apparent* hole in the frieght door. One also remembers the UA B747 that lost a cargo door just after the Lockerbie tagedy? Just be a little more tolerant please guys.
I well recall a certain Heathrow departure being asked by a concerned Tower controller if he was aware he was missing a winglet......he was assured that the B744 could be so despatched, but he was right to say, "whoooa that looks wrong!"
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I remember this incident clearly, as said some spotter who patently didnt have a clue what the hell he was talking about was bad mouthing the engineers dispatching the aircraft because a panel was missing, turned out the engineers had removed the panel as it had been damaged and had dispatched the aircraft quite correctly and legally, licensed aircraft engineers are not fools, they are highly qualified responsible switched on guys who know what there doing, what right had this clueless buffon to come on here and slate them for doing their job???