Flying MAN to DUB - COntrolled by Shanwick?
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Flying MAN to DUB - COntrolled by Shanwick?
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Was just watching Coast where they were discussing Prestwick ATC and how they control flights to the US and Europe.
Do they also control flights to Dublin? Or if not who does?
Happy Spotting
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Donnlass
Was just watching Coast where they were discussing Prestwick ATC and how they control flights to the US and Europe.
Do they also control flights to Dublin? Or if not who does?
Happy Spotting
Cheers
Donnlass
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He might mean "Scottish" control 
....However....
Manchester Control is moving to Scotland [Prestwick] in Feb 2010.
Currently, Scottish controls traffic over Scotland and Northern Ireland...and a little bit south of Carlisle.
Manchester controls traffic from Birmingham to Newcastle...and from the Isle of Man to Hull (geographic area....ish) up to 29,000 ft [FL290]
Hope this helps
....However....Manchester Control is moving to Scotland [Prestwick] in Feb 2010.
Currently, Scottish controls traffic over Scotland and Northern Ireland...and a little bit south of Carlisle.
Manchester controls traffic from Birmingham to Newcastle...and from the Isle of Man to Hull (geographic area....ish) up to 29,000 ft [FL290]
Hope this helps
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Sure I mean Shanwick, thanks for your help.
So how would London or other aircraft overflying the MAN airspace be controlled en route to the US?
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So how would London or other aircraft overflying the MAN airspace be controlled en route to the US?
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Overflying MAN and above MACC airspace is done by Swanwick (London), and then it depends which way you are going
from eg WAL to the west would be Shannon til 15W, to the North would be Scottish, to the Northwest would be Scottish and then at 10 west either Shannon (into NOTA) and then Shanwick or direct to Shanwick if entering the OCA at GOMUP or higher
Shanwick Radio is next at 10W(GOMUP or higher) or 15W ( SUNOT or lower) Gander Radio at 30W, until you get to RADAR coverage on the far side
from eg WAL to the west would be Shannon til 15W, to the North would be Scottish, to the Northwest would be Scottish and then at 10 west either Shannon (into NOTA) and then Shanwick or direct to Shanwick if entering the OCA at GOMUP or higher
Shanwick Radio is next at 10W(GOMUP or higher) or 15W ( SUNOT or lower) Gander Radio at 30W, until you get to RADAR coverage on the far side
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Shanwick controls traffic over the Atlantic Ocean. The controllers sit in Scotland but the radio transmissions are made from Ballygirreen, near Shannon in Ireland.
Area Control at Swanwick (on the south coast) controls 200,000 square miles of airspace above England and Wales – among the busiest and most complex in the world – with the exception of London and south-east area below 24,000 feet and the Manchester area below 21,000 feet. (From the NATS web site)
Area Control at Swanwick (on the south coast) controls 200,000 square miles of airspace above England and Wales – among the busiest and most complex in the world – with the exception of London and south-east area below 24,000 feet and the Manchester area below 21,000 feet. (From the NATS web site)
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Manchester does still actually control up to 29K from an area from approx Birmingham up to Leeds and then acoss to the an area up to the Dublin FIR boundary. A sizeable block of airspace !
I believe this was done initially to assist London in taking some pressure off the busy airspace not just within the MAN TMA but for aircraft routing above Manchester in/out of Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool IOM and Blackpool.
ie North of Brum, South of Leeds etc.
The Centre also handles a lot of mil traffic heading North out of Mildenhall which joins airways in the Manchester area, most Kc135s etc struggle to make 29K or above by Manchester on there way to the US.
As pointed out the Manchester centre sadly does however close next year when Scottish ATC will take over.
I believe this was done initially to assist London in taking some pressure off the busy airspace not just within the MAN TMA but for aircraft routing above Manchester in/out of Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool IOM and Blackpool.
ie North of Brum, South of Leeds etc.
The Centre also handles a lot of mil traffic heading North out of Mildenhall which joins airways in the Manchester area, most Kc135s etc struggle to make 29K or above by Manchester on there way to the US.
As pointed out the Manchester centre sadly does however close next year when Scottish ATC will take over.
Shanwick controls traffic over the Atlantic Ocean.
From 10W to 30W (except it's 15W to the West of Ireland), between 45N & 61N, that is Shanwick's bit. From 30W to close to the Canadian coast it's Gander, and S of 45N you have Santa Maria from around 15W out to 40W, then New York to the West of that. That's a brief and approximate summary; if you want all the details, you need to look at a chart.
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Thank you all for your detailed replies and the map. I'll be able to keep track of ATC and who controls what in our airspace.
Safe Flying!!!!
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Donnlass
Safe Flying!!!!
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Donnlass
