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Oh dear, Flathatter. This time I believe that you are the touchy one.
Not trying to ridicule you, you are doing a pretty good job of that yourself. Just get your facts straight, before setting out on your wellknown crusade.
I think that SC being a sistercompany has a h*** of a lot to do with this.Year of hire as well. Tell my why it doesnīt. Why should an SC guy (which Iīm not) not be in front of an AF,DM,QI etc. if he is hired ahead of them? Previous experience counts for nothing once youīre hired, which you yourself agreed to,was fair!!
Flathatter, I donīt know what SAS did to you. From other posts, obviously something that has p***** you off badly. But please donīt accuse me of laying smokescreens, when that is exactly what youīre trying to do.
Some people look here for truthful info. Please try to answer them that way, and hold back your personal vendetta.
Finally, the 15-20 years to command. Well, what can I say, I guess only time will tell, but donīt try to make people believe some of your math, that YOU know probably will be way off as well.
The "smart applicants" you say, will realise this. Well, 10-12 years to LHS, I already agreed with you is the norm. Is that not acceptable? Well then itīs up the the applicant to say no thanks to the whole package. If youīre only looking for a short time to LHS, then you should certainly look elsewhere for a job. But most people know this already.
You show a magnificent interest in SAS, please just donīt pretend that you know it all, when it is speculation based on anger!
Oh, BTW. If somebody just canīt wait for a LHS, SC is now screaming for Capt.s. And new mainline co-pilots that would otherwise have to wait 15-20 years
, can now move over and fly the Dash 8-400. I know some that were hired in mainline 3 years ago, that are now doing the Capt.course. And they keep their place on the list.
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Not trying to ridicule you, you are doing a pretty good job of that yourself. Just get your facts straight, before setting out on your wellknown crusade.
I think that SC being a sistercompany has a h*** of a lot to do with this.Year of hire as well. Tell my why it doesnīt. Why should an SC guy (which Iīm not) not be in front of an AF,DM,QI etc. if he is hired ahead of them? Previous experience counts for nothing once youīre hired, which you yourself agreed to,was fair!!
Flathatter, I donīt know what SAS did to you. From other posts, obviously something that has p***** you off badly. But please donīt accuse me of laying smokescreens, when that is exactly what youīre trying to do.
Some people look here for truthful info. Please try to answer them that way, and hold back your personal vendetta.
Finally, the 15-20 years to command. Well, what can I say, I guess only time will tell, but donīt try to make people believe some of your math, that YOU know probably will be way off as well.
The "smart applicants" you say, will realise this. Well, 10-12 years to LHS, I already agreed with you is the norm. Is that not acceptable? Well then itīs up the the applicant to say no thanks to the whole package. If youīre only looking for a short time to LHS, then you should certainly look elsewhere for a job. But most people know this already.
You show a magnificent interest in SAS, please just donīt pretend that you know it all, when it is speculation based on anger!
Oh, BTW. If somebody just canīt wait for a LHS, SC is now screaming for Capt.s. And new mainline co-pilots that would otherwise have to wait 15-20 years
, can now move over and fly the Dash 8-400. I know some that were hired in mainline 3 years ago, that are now doing the Capt.course. And they keep their place on the list. [This message has been edited by Hung start (edited 29 August 2000).]
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And just for the record. I agree with what cox had to say,getting back to the topic. That deal doesnīt smell right!
And also, Flathatter might think that I keep my head in the sand, and defend SAS in every way. Not so, lots of things I think are wrong in SAS,lots. And we can have more discussions about those, if anybody care to.
Also, Iīm not management pilot or anything like that, and probably never will be.
And just to set straight one last thing. The board of the union was comprised of 8 pilots of which one was SC. It is now being increased to 10 pilots with two from SC.
Hardly a SC dominated board with respect to a kombilist!
And also, Flathatter might think that I keep my head in the sand, and defend SAS in every way. Not so, lots of things I think are wrong in SAS,lots. And we can have more discussions about those, if anybody care to.
Also, Iīm not management pilot or anything like that, and probably never will be.
And just to set straight one last thing. The board of the union was comprised of 8 pilots of which one was SC. It is now being increased to 10 pilots with two from SC.
Hardly a SC dominated board with respect to a kombilist!
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Well, seems to me that FLATHATTER is an SAS guy at the bottom of the list, feeling that his air force time should count for something against a lowtimer from the sistercompany SC, which is on the same senoritylist. Or sitting in another company contemplating moving but doesn't dare..
Anyway, who cares...this forum it to exchange ideeres and info, not wash dirty linnen.
Anyway, who cares...this forum it to exchange ideeres and info, not wash dirty linnen.
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Boy oh boy,
What have I started here?
I did the interview at SAS and found them to be a great bunch and very professional. I would very much have liked to have been offered a job, but alas, such was not my luck. I think the fact that SAS will offer you the job on a foreign license, contigent on the fact that you will convert prior to employment is commendable. It does save the expense of having to go through conversion for nothing.
There will always be problems with seniority list, especially when, as here, we are dealing with civilians and military, but the only correct way to settle the issue is date of hire IMHO. Nine years to the right seat is not so far out really. It is not like you are working for a unstable charter airline, this is after all SAS.
What have I started here?
I did the interview at SAS and found them to be a great bunch and very professional. I would very much have liked to have been offered a job, but alas, such was not my luck. I think the fact that SAS will offer you the job on a foreign license, contigent on the fact that you will convert prior to employment is commendable. It does save the expense of having to go through conversion for nothing.
There will always be problems with seniority list, especially when, as here, we are dealing with civilians and military, but the only correct way to settle the issue is date of hire IMHO. Nine years to the right seat is not so far out really. It is not like you are working for a unstable charter airline, this is after all SAS.
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If you didnīt understand this from my previous posts Flathatter, here it is again: I too agree that date of hire must determine seniority. Itīs just that, from 23īrd of may 1997, with respect to seniority, SAS and SC are ONE company. Everybody applying from that day on, has known that thats the way it is. And its very fair to me!
I donīt follow the american discussions as closely as you obviously do, but seem to remember, that for one ASA (Atlantic Southeast, one of the Delta Commuters) was not owned by Delta, which to me makes a h*** of a difference. Might be now, but still: SC was created as COD by SAS,SAS pilots and SAS administation, and is a company in the SAS group!!! Hope that youīll get on with your life some day.
Oh, and I talked to some Varig pilots a short while back. They were looking around for ways to "merge" seniority lists of Varig and Rio Sul pilots, and were interested in the SAS model. There goes another one of your theories down the drain!
Any Varig pilots out there, that can discuss what youīve done??
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[This message has been edited by Hung start (edited 01 September 2000).]
I donīt follow the american discussions as closely as you obviously do, but seem to remember, that for one ASA (Atlantic Southeast, one of the Delta Commuters) was not owned by Delta, which to me makes a h*** of a difference. Might be now, but still: SC was created as COD by SAS,SAS pilots and SAS administation, and is a company in the SAS group!!! Hope that youīll get on with your life some day.
Oh, and I talked to some Varig pilots a short while back. They were looking around for ways to "merge" seniority lists of Varig and Rio Sul pilots, and were interested in the SAS model. There goes another one of your theories down the drain!
Any Varig pilots out there, that can discuss what youīve done??
[This message has been edited by Hung start (edited 01 September 2000).]
[This message has been edited by Hung start (edited 01 September 2000).]
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Well, no more arguments Flathatter? 
Talk about attitude
I sincerely hope that youīll start to see things in a brighter perspective in the future if not, why not do something about your situation? End of this discussion as far as Iīm concerned, although Iīll study your next response!!
Talk about attitude
I sincerely hope that youīll start to see things in a brighter perspective in the future if not, why not do something about your situation? End of this discussion as far as Iīm concerned, although Iīll study your next response!!
