Help with a photo please

[Lurk R]

The following is being queried on another website - just wondered what the local thinking here is.

Is it real?

My query is on what the minimum speed of 737 with flap 0 is?

<A HREF="http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=77674" TARGET="_blank">http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=77674</A>

Thx,

Lurk R

[Old King Coal]

On our B737-300's we typically select flaps to fully up when the airspeed goes above 190 Kts, and start putting them down when the airspeed goes below 210 Kts (Nb. The a/c in the photo is a -800 series, and thus might have a different flap speed schedule).

[ExSimGuy]

I would be wondering why he's so close to the ground without those wheeley things dangling underneath

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[ColdWaterSurf]

Soft field takeoff?

Get the thing into the air, in ground effect.

Raise the wheels for best acceleration.. and you're off!

[Smoketrails]

Apparently it is some kind of a tradition for any airline based at PMI to do a low pass when they have a new a/c delivered. I myself witnessed this twice in the early 90's at PMI when Canafrica had a MD80 and Dc-8 delivered.

[fobotcso]

I'm convinced. Shadows and heat haze from engines look real and I don't think it's going all that slowly either. Wonder how many rules (s)he broke.

[Ann O'Rack]

Think you are right Smoketrails. This picture was published in June 2000 edition of Airliner World with the following ....

"Air Europa has unveiled a fresh corporate image with the delivery of its latest 737-85P. The aircraft, the seventh Series 800 for the airline, was delivered from Seattle via Gander on April 13. As is the tradition for delivery flights arriving in Palma, the aircraft performed a flypast along the length of Palma's runway 24R before landing, to be greeted by staff......"

[Skybiter]

Saw a piccy of an Air Zimbabwe 737-200 taken at Charles Prince in the '80s. Looked even lower than this one and I believe the pilot didn't last long with the company. Any more info any one?......

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[What_does_this_button_do?]

Fake. Look at negative image:

<A HREF="http://www.brodylimited.co.uk/pprune/737.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.brodylimited.co.uk/pprune/737.jpg</A>

If you look at tarmac the shadow image doesn't stack up.

[jjj]

Have seen overflys before, all of them would have there gear down in case something went wrong and they needed to land. Either a fake or a very stupid pilot.

[Smoketrails]

W_d_t_b_d?,

Have to disagree with you on that one! Shadow looks allright to me, nothing wrong with the negative.

Ann O'Rack,

Thanks for the conformation.

Skybiter,

An Air Britain publication has a shot of an Air Zimbabwe B707 doing a very very very very low pass at an dirtfield somewhere in Zimbabwe. Problem is, I can't find the d*mn thing!(any anoracks wish to help us, preferably one with a scanner?!)

[mustafagander]

Skybiter,
The pic to which you refer is of an Air Zim B707 making a low pass at an air show held at Charles Prince airport - the GA airport for Harare.
As I recall it, there was a copy posted on PPRuNe a couple of years ago in a thread dealing with low passes. Some scary shots there!!!

[Lurk R]

Thanks for the feedback folks - usually "doctored" photos don't quite cut the mustard but this pic seems quite genuine - if not, they have a package better than MS Photoshop!!! WDTBD - likewise I couldn't seem to find anything from the negative image which leaned towrds fake. And finally Skybiter - you don't mean that pic of a B707 in Lake Victoria about 300m short of the runway do you!!!

Thanks folks...

[Eric]

Coincidently from "A couple of odd pictures" topic! <A HREF="http://www.aviationpics.de/airshow/airshow.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.aviationpics.de/airshow/airshow.htm</A>



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[WX Man]

Fake. Two shadows indicate this:

1. That of the trees in the mid-ground

2. The left engine, where it is attached to the wing- even taking into account that this comes forward towards the observer, it's still wrong.

Draw a line from the rear tip of the left wing's shadow to where the rear tip of the left wing actually is. This gives you an idea of where all the rest of the shadows should fall in the remainder of the picture. It puts the sun in a completely different place.

Strange, though, that someone who would put a detail such as the heat haze from the engines in would miss that one.

About the photo taken at FVCP: I've seen the original (James at the Mashonaland Flying Club has it). That one's not faked!

[Rollingthunder]

Seems real..

<A HREF="http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72116" TARGET="_blank">http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72116</A>
<A HREF="http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72148" TARGET="_blank">http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72148</A>
<A HREF="http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72147" TARGET="_blank">http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72147</A>
<A HREF="http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72146" TARGET="_blank">http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72146</A>
<A HREF="http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72145" TARGET="_blank">http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=72145</A>
<A HREF="http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=73641" TARGET="_blank">http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?id=73641</A>

[Avman]

I took a couple of slides of an Canafrica MD-80 beating up 24R at PMI on May 1st, 1987. The gear was up and he was a little higher (not much) than our B737 friend. Unfortunately, I don't have a scanner so can't share it with you.

[AeroBoero]

Why is it so difficult to believe the photo is real?

[Smoketrails]

...87?!?!...TIME FLIES!

[Dr. Red]

Heat haze is a relatively easy effect with the photoshop smudge tool.

And this sort of stunt simply can not be accepted by the company (assumuing they knew about this)! Hmmm... we just got a brand new a/c, lets perform stupid and dangerous manouvres with it!

I'm very doubtful. Then again, here's the Air Zimbabwe pic people have referred to:



Well then?

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