The Concorde debate American style
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The Concorde debate American style
I really have seen it all,
This morning I have been whatching CNN in the.US There was a New York City congressman being interviewed on the subject of Concorde and the noise levels it creates at CDG LHR and of course JFK.
I can not help but wonder whether if this aircraft was a US product there would no issue and further more the countries in europe to which the plane would fly would not complain.
So great britain will alllow the US to build its ballistic missile defence system in scotland, thus making the country a target for just about every global terrorist, and the US will not even allow a joint french and british aircraft in to there airports.
I'm struggling to find a common standard here, but we should be used to this by know.
After all the rest of the world ratified the Kyoto treaty, guess who did not!!
the moral here, An insular nation such as the USA should really consider what other countries do for them before they rubbish those countries projects for no other reason than BLATANT JEALOUSY!!
ALSO WHAT HAS AMERICAN BEER AND HAVING SEX IN A CANOE GOT IN COMMON?
THEY ARE BOTH F#*#ING CLOSE TO WATER
LOVE AND KISSES THROBER 69
This morning I have been whatching CNN in the.US There was a New York City congressman being interviewed on the subject of Concorde and the noise levels it creates at CDG LHR and of course JFK.
I can not help but wonder whether if this aircraft was a US product there would no issue and further more the countries in europe to which the plane would fly would not complain.
So great britain will alllow the US to build its ballistic missile defence system in scotland, thus making the country a target for just about every global terrorist, and the US will not even allow a joint french and british aircraft in to there airports.
I'm struggling to find a common standard here, but we should be used to this by know.
After all the rest of the world ratified the Kyoto treaty, guess who did not!!
the moral here, An insular nation such as the USA should really consider what other countries do for them before they rubbish those countries projects for no other reason than BLATANT JEALOUSY!!
ALSO WHAT HAS AMERICAN BEER AND HAVING SEX IN A CANOE GOT IN COMMON?
THEY ARE BOTH F#*#ING CLOSE TO WATER
LOVE AND KISSES THROBER 69
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Good one Airbubba!
Now, who is showing a lot of jealousy?
Go have another beer throber.
[ 17 July 2001: Message edited by: con-pilot ]
Now, who is showing a lot of jealousy?
Go have another beer throber.
[ 17 July 2001: Message edited by: con-pilot ]
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The US are our friends until we build something better. They will never accept it, thats why whenever they (eventualy) buy a UK designed and built aircraft or Helicopter, they give it there own "special" name.
They even claim rights to the Hovercraft and Aircraft Carrier.
Not so.
They even claim rights to the Hovercraft and Aircraft Carrier.
Not so.
For any Brits who are interested in obtaining a green card to live in the US, by far the easiest method is as follows…
1) Go there on holiday.
2) Meet a nice American woman(or man).
3) Get hitched
4) Errr….that’s it!
1) Go there on holiday.
2) Meet a nice American woman(or man).
3) Get hitched
4) Errr….that’s it!
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Lemme see, Stage three comes to mind. Might they have installed a hushkit on that thing?? I wonder!
I am a fervent supporter of the Concorde and cannot wait for her to return, but it does enjoy some privileges. Sadly, I must also admit to thinking, had the US built the only SST, it would no longer be allowed to fly into the EU. Any takers on that one!
I am a fervent supporter of the Concorde and cannot wait for her to return, but it does enjoy some privileges. Sadly, I must also admit to thinking, had the US built the only SST, it would no longer be allowed to fly into the EU. Any takers on that one!
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30 years ago I was visiting Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio and happened to notice that the P1127 (Harrier prototype) was claimed to be of US origin!
I am not sure why some Americans think every one else can't wait to live in the states. I can assure them that there are many better countries to live in out there!
I am not sure why some Americans think every one else can't wait to live in the states. I can assure them that there are many better countries to live in out there!
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Let's face it 99% of Yanks are squatters; European for the most part. The funny thing is that they still believe that they are a race.
I've only been to America once and yes it does have some great things; the Europeans could, and indeed do, learn much from them, as do the rest of the world. However, they are fundementally uncultured and arrogant. Yes there are plenty of places within the US I think I could quite happily settle in, I can't deny that; but in the end, I think I'd miss the sanity of Europe. Oftentimes they little realise what a laughing stock they are in the rest of the world. As with the Arab world, the only reason they have any respect is that they have dollars. The difference is that at least the arabs gave much to the world before Islam was 'invented'. The thing the 'Americans' will be remembered most for for a very long time is the 'A' Bomb! Nice Epitaph!!!!
I've only been to America once and yes it does have some great things; the Europeans could, and indeed do, learn much from them, as do the rest of the world. However, they are fundementally uncultured and arrogant. Yes there are plenty of places within the US I think I could quite happily settle in, I can't deny that; but in the end, I think I'd miss the sanity of Europe. Oftentimes they little realise what a laughing stock they are in the rest of the world. As with the Arab world, the only reason they have any respect is that they have dollars. The difference is that at least the arabs gave much to the world before Islam was 'invented'. The thing the 'Americans' will be remembered most for for a very long time is the 'A' Bomb! Nice Epitaph!!!!
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Well my tuppence is likely to upset all. Please keep in mind that I am a big fan of the Conc.
But its' only usefullnes is over the open water (or maybe the Poles?).
Those nasty sonic booms destroying Mums best china plates etc would probably piss off any country.
It of course took many months (and millions of $) of US Air Force testing over Oklahoma to find that out in the late sixties.
I can only assume that the boys and girls with their slide rules neglected to see the obvious. The US would never allow supersonic travel over land.
Boeing then quickly discarded its very expensive wooden mock-up, and the Euros continued to produce the most beautiful
machine ever built.
But its' only usefullnes is over the open water (or maybe the Poles?).
Those nasty sonic booms destroying Mums best china plates etc would probably piss off any country.
It of course took many months (and millions of $) of US Air Force testing over Oklahoma to find that out in the late sixties.
I can only assume that the boys and girls with their slide rules neglected to see the obvious. The US would never allow supersonic travel over land.
Boeing then quickly discarded its very expensive wooden mock-up, and the Euros continued to produce the most beautiful
machine ever built.
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with you on this one.
AV8, guess the next one will be Goshawk.
(RIP the crew), did not the U.K. discover, and openly advise deep stall, enter the DC-9.
Where did the USA go for reseach....TU144 for supersonic reseach.....It must have been cheap..........
Here goes, Mr Boeing, build an aircraft with the safety record of a UK build.......
Bored ducks for cover
with you on this one.
AV8, guess the next one will be Goshawk.
(RIP the crew), did not the U.K. discover, and openly advise deep stall, enter the DC-9.
Where did the USA go for reseach....TU144 for supersonic reseach.....It must have been cheap..........
Here goes, Mr Boeing, build an aircraft with the safety record of a UK build.......
Bored ducks for cover
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It is not just the concorde and it is not just JFK. Airports all over the US are the subject of noise complaints. It doesn't really have anything to do with who built it (how many Airbus, British Aerospace, DH, etc products are currently flying in the US?) it is truly about noise. A city in California is in the process of enacting a ban on all gasoline powered yard equipment on weekends and holidays. Folks here are sueing various government entities over devaluation of property and to get noise insulation installed at government cost. There are various local groups all over the country that want to shut down various airports. When an article complains about noise, I believe the writer is being genuine, even if he is absurd.
As for the missile defense system, that is a whole other issue. I hope we build it, and the decision as to where it goes will be made by people much further up the food chain than I. I can understand not wanting it in your backyard, however.
As for the Kyoto treaty, I hope the US does never ratifies it. I see no compeling reason that we should after all the evidence is considered. The choice is still ours to make, no matter how much you may not like it.
As for all the other issues, the US is an easy target to poke fun at, and it is far from perfect. I have found a corner of it that I like however, and uncultured or not, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Fly safe.
As for the missile defense system, that is a whole other issue. I hope we build it, and the decision as to where it goes will be made by people much further up the food chain than I. I can understand not wanting it in your backyard, however.
As for the Kyoto treaty, I hope the US does never ratifies it. I see no compeling reason that we should after all the evidence is considered. The choice is still ours to make, no matter how much you may not like it.
As for all the other issues, the US is an easy target to poke fun at, and it is far from perfect. I have found a corner of it that I like however, and uncultured or not, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Fly safe.
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It's interesting isn't it...and I'm not yank bashing here. It happens all over. The concern is with noise in MY back yard. Not with flooding in someone elses.
I bet the attitude to Kyoto in the US would change if the country was 1 foot above sea level.
My job is more important than someone elses life?
It's interesting isn't it...and I'm not yank bashing here. It happens all over. The concern is with noise in MY back yard. Not with flooding in someone elses.
I bet the attitude to Kyoto in the US would change if the country was 1 foot above sea level.
My job is more important than someone elses life?
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As for the whole noise issue, I think it is a crock. If you move near an airport, you should expect it. That people complain about it after the fact is foolish. That is the point I was trying to make in a round about way.
As for Kyoto and flooding, I am simply not convinced that the treaty is based on sound science. If someone could present me with convincing proof, then I would support it. The US has, in recent history, had a number of knee-jerk reactions that I think we will regret in the long run. I do not want this treaty to be another. Fly safe.
As for Kyoto and flooding, I am simply not convinced that the treaty is based on sound science. If someone could present me with convincing proof, then I would support it. The US has, in recent history, had a number of knee-jerk reactions that I think we will regret in the long run. I do not want this treaty to be another. Fly safe.
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Boredcounter,
What your bragging about the BN Islander and Trislander,HS 125-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/800/,Bae146,Comet.
The Concorde is a wonderfull flying machine but Britain has designed some less than competitive aeroplanes as well. I wonder how overcomplicated the Concorde would have been if the French weren't involved in its design. Or how simple it would have been if designed by Yanks?
Chuck.
What your bragging about the BN Islander and Trislander,HS 125-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/800/,Bae146,Comet.
The Concorde is a wonderfull flying machine but Britain has designed some less than competitive aeroplanes as well. I wonder how overcomplicated the Concorde would have been if the French weren't involved in its design. Or how simple it would have been if designed by Yanks?
Chuck.
