BAW287, just woke up London!

[HeathrowAirport]

Hi Guys, Just noticed BAW287 departed almost 12 hours late..
any reason for its lateness? Big NA Fine i bet for that aswell?
Sat 29 November 2008

14:25 BA287
SAN FRANCISCO
TAXIED 0117

[dontpressthat]

Probobly explains the rumble that had me peeking out the window about 15mins ago.. about 2nm n/e of BNN.

DPT

[Skipness One Echo]

NA as in noise abatement? I actually thought Heathrow had a curfew between 0000-0400 so shows what I know.....
Hope the punters weren't on board all that time !

[Gulf4uk]

Baw 287

HI This likely to be your frame noise what noise only nimbys notice
aircraft noise ?

G-BNLG BAW287 2008-11-30 01:28:34. B747-436 United Kingdom British Airways

Tony

[Rainboe]

Have I got a comprehension problem or is that total garbled nonsense?

[Skipness One Echo]

First time an ACARS message makes easier reading than a narrative (!). Tony, let's put your bedroom under the numbers and put a 744 in the circuit at 1AM and see you try and get up in time for work.....

[haughtney1]

Lived in Acton, and Isleworth for a number of years...never had a problem with aircraft noise outta LHR, even though (particularly Isleworth) had many many airframes overhead during the course of the day.
Simple fix with aircraft noise, move, adapt, or get used to it

[Skipness One Echo]

had many many airframes overhead during the course of the day.
Simple fix with aircraft noise, move, adapt, or get used to it

Try it at 1AM onwards and see if you're still clapping like a special person then mate !

There's a specific issue in London where vast swathes of the city would not be able to sleep if 24 / 7 heavies were thundering off Heathrow. My other half insists on sleeping with the window open and I always hear the first heavies of the day powering into the base leg turn at 04:30 when they're on Westerlies. It's very loud even in the East End when the rest of the city is quiet.
I am a Heathrow supporter, but get real if you think anyone would tolerate that level of noise in the middle of the night as the norm. It's inhumane.

[Gulf4uk]

Noise

Yes it must effect people I Admit that but I don't seem to notice these
days day or night . Rare I get more than 2 Hours sleep because of pain
and pill popping every 2 hours or so next dose . But those that do need
it getting woken up in the small Hours is no Joke you just lie there
looking at the clock waiting for 6AM to click round you never get to
sleep again.

Tony

[LHR27C]

Big NA Fine i bet for that aswell?

Nope, BA have a certain quota of night slots they can use each year.

[Cloud Bunny]

Sorry not a spotter, but since when have British Airways been known as BAW?? What does the 'w' stand for?

[Eddie_Crane]

since when have British Airways been known as BAW??

IATA-Code:BA
ICAO-Code:BAW
Prefix-Code:125
Airline:British Airways
Country:United Kingdom
Callsign:Speedbird

[haughtney1]

Try it at 1AM onwards and see if you're still clapping like a special person then mate !

Classic, someone got out on the wrong side of the bed

Like I said, I've never had an issue, my problem is with you lot who moan about a bit of noise it was just ONE aircraft wasn't it? If so..a bit of perspective please, a bus exhaust creates more Decibels as it drives past at 1am, as does a Police or Ambulance siren

[Skipness One Echo]

Nope, BA have a certain quota of night slots they can use each year

Ahh that's interesting. So the airport is not available for general use in the wee hours but late departures are OK as long as they meet the quota? That can't be right....that's common sense and we're not having any of that in Brown's Britain !

Haughtney1 I don't have an issue with it, my point is that you saying

Simple fix with aircraft noise, move, adapt, or get used to it

misses the point that at Heathrow, it's about to get a lot noisier for a lot of people as mixed mode looks likely to end and a new runway may be built. Now I agree with the new runway and more capacity but my heart goes out to those who have known some peace all their lives near Heathrow when they change runways, and that little peace is to be taken. Remember that a lot of people who live near Heathrow have neither the disposable income of some if us nor the confidence to leave a tightly nit immigrant community in some cases.

It's not as simple as you paint it.

[Human Factor]

Remember that a lot of people who live near Heathrow have neither the disposable income of some if us nor the confidence to leave a tightly nit immigrant community in some cases.

The point being in fact that they made a choice to live there, whether it was due to there being large numbers of a particular community there or for financial reasons. There are cheaper places to live in the UK than Hounslow (believe it or not). While I don't disagree with their argument about further expansion, I don't believe they have any right whatsoever to complain about the current situation regarding night flights and noise quotas. Those rules have been in force for many many years. I would imagine for longer than many of the residents have been in situ.

[HeathrowAirport]

I don't mind the noise, its just a find that a bit harsh on Hounslow at a time when everyone is expecting no noise. If it was on westerlies, i could understand as it wouldn't blast over London. But Heathrow is on easterlies.. and to add the 747 on a heavy departure would have made a racket at that time of night.

Anyone know why it was that late?

[drivez]

One night? What's the big deal?
RAF jets buzz around my end once or twice a year. Not a big deal. Feel sorry for the people who have the heavies coming from America and other places though in the morning.

[LHR27C]

I'm not sure why people think it is so rare for aircraft to depart LHR after midnight. It happens quite often when they are delayed for technical reasons or whatever. For example, a quick glance over last week's logs:

Nov 27th
VS350 A343 departed 0027
BG016 A310 departed 0030

Nov 26th
VS651 A346 departed 0050

Nov 25th
SK534 MD82 departed 0011
BD8312 B752 departed 0220

Nov 24th
SK534 MD82 departed 0008

Nov 23rd
VS300 A346 departed 0018

[Rampvan]

BA have a certain quota of night slots they can use each year

This is quite correct, however if an airline needed to use one of these night quota flights unexpectedly as BA seemed to have done last night then it would be only a case of delaying one of the their early morning arrivals to get back into line with the quota

it's about to get a lot noisier for a lot of people as mixed mode looks likely to end and a new runway may be built. Now I agree with the new runway and more capacity but my heart goes out to those who have known some peace all their lives near Heathrow when they change runways,

Having lived very near to LHR from birth to around 30 years of age I can tell you hot summer days in the 70's when they were on 10's (Tridents,1-11's, DC-9's etc) were very noisy and we never knew any peace as there was no runway change on Easteries. Funny thing was no body ever complained down our road about the noise!! it seems only in recent years that this NIMBY culture has reared is head, whether or not its down to new arrivals into the area who after having bought a property near a huge international airport have now decided its a tad noisy or not I'm not willing to speculate

[trident3A]

God the tridents used make a racket didn't they?