Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner)
Reload this Page >

Will he ever stop Whingeing?

Wikiposts
Search
Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

Will he ever stop Whingeing?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12th Sep 2008, 11:56
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South of Watford
Posts: 147
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Will he ever stop Whingeing?

From the Daily Wail

Richard Branson turns up the heat in the battle against British Airways

British Airway was accused of playing dirty tricks on the competition authorities after Virgin Atlantic said the UK flag carrier and its alliance partner American Airlines (AA) are seeking to hide the extent of their market dominance.

Virgin's founder and chairman Sir Richard Branson today turned up the volume in his campaign to prevent BA and AA's deal to work closely together and sell tickets to each other's customers.

"BA and AA are planning to create a monster monopoly on the transatlantic and here they are distorting the picture of just what a monster this will be," said Branson.

At issue is the filings BA and AA have made on their proposed alliance to Washington competition authorities in which they say they control 43% of the traffic between Heathrow and the US.

Virgin says that figure is more likely 62% because BA and AA's filings ignore millions of connecting passengers from other airlines
Sir Richard is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 12:06
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: UK
Age: 48
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The question you should be asking is why aren't more people whining about this?

Monopoly's are bad for the business, and making a large transatlantic giant even bigger at a time when Open Skies is supposed to be encouraging more competition across the pond seems like a blatant controlling/dominance strategy to me.

If LCCs are to stand a chance of expanding across the water, which must surely be in the interests of passengers, then BAs smothering tactics should not be allowed to take place.
CockpitThruster is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 12:11
  #3 (permalink)  

FX Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Greenwich
Age: 67
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well if the figures don't include connecting passengers, then hasn't he got a point?

If someone gets off, say, an internal BMI flight to get on BA flight across the pond then shouldn't he/she be included in trans-Atlantic pax numbers?
angels is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 12:15
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: london
Posts: 376
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't remember him complaining when he was part of the LHR Monopoly
Da Dog is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 12:31
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: London UK
Posts: 7,659
Likes: 0
Received 19 Likes on 16 Posts
Unfortunately Richard Branson learnt a lot about aviation from Freddie Laker, who was another whiner to the press as a cheap way of getting the company profile up without paying for advertising.

I heard the interview on BBC Radio 4 this morning between Branson and Willie Walsh. Branson's hyperbole about everything was indeed grating. Willie, in contrast, was having a good day.

I can only think that merging BA and AA pricing across the Atlantic can be good for Virgin, who can adopt their usual tactic of letting BA set the price and then coming in at a bit less. If what RB says is true Virgin will clean up. I wonder why he can't see this.
WHBM is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 14:13
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think he does know this which is why he has to be seen to complain vociferously. What he really wants is to be seen to oppose it then when it happens and he's riding along higher prices created by a large monopoly in the market he can turn round and say '...told you so...'.

He'll still take the money though cos he's not a fool.

He didn't come across well on Today earlier though. He sounded like he hadn't been properly briefed by his staff and was just digging up old dirt.
Golden Ticket is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 14:35
  #7 (permalink)  

Controversial, moi?
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 1,606
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
These two articles put some interesting facts against Mr. Branson's whinging.

British Airways link-up with American Airlines will not kill competition - Telegraph

Ex-American Airlines chief tells Sir Richard Branson to play fair - Telegraph
M.Mouse is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 14:44
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
Age: 77
Posts: 1,267
Received 20 Likes on 9 Posts
Are monopolies inherently bad?

If you have an effective regulatory authority (and it is a VERY big IF), I believe that a monopoly serves the public better, because it doesn't have to fight off predators. Without an effective regulatory authority, it's just as big a disaster as the laissez faire model so popular these days which is called 'competition'.

When the railways were British Railways, there was far more flexibility in working to help passengers - eg Special Stop Notices to stop a train at a station to provide an otherwise missed connection.

Interestingly, having travelled to Oz and Kiwi on holiday on BA this last few weeks, all classes were jammed packed full except a BKK - SYD sector, where there were three seats spare in First. The rest as full. So BA should have made some profit on those flights.....
radeng is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 14:48
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If someone gets off, say, an internal BMI flight to get on BA flight across the pond then shouldn't he/she be included in trans-Atlantic pax numbers?
Bransons whinge about BA's 'misleading' figures was countered rather by Walsh pointing out that they had provided the competition commisioners with the figures they asked for in the format they asked for. If they'd wanted transfer passengers included they'd have got them. Branson is pushing it to complain that transfer passengers weren't included as his beef is that BA/AA would dominate the LHR to US market. If he wants to start including EU passengers then BA can quite easily hold up the figures comparing Skyteam and Star Alliances share of that market.
Carnage Matey! is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 15:04
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I do recall reading in the Dail T an interview with Sir Michael Bishop, even he said it was nothing more than what already exists between LH & UA.
MONK757 is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2008, 17:24
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: London UK
Posts: 7,659
Likes: 0
Received 19 Likes on 16 Posts
It is unfortunately typical of R B interviews that he just shoots his mouth off. After the railway accident to the Virgin Train at Oxenholme, Lake District, last year, when the train was suddenly derailed at speed, at night, and went down the embankment, R B's interview stated the driver had "heroically saved" the passengers by stopping the train. You don't have to be a train buff to understand that if the train derails the driver can do precisely nothing. He has gone down among raiway professionals as a complete idiot for saying that.

I really do wish Branson and Virgin Atlantic well, but he needs to be more accurate with the media.
WHBM is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.