So, Why No Short Turns To Finals These Days?
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So, what's the plural of "final", then? I've actually heard both singular and plural used in ATC traffic.
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The reason for flying a visual approach is to save time and keep your flying skills at a reasonable level. I personally find that flying visually helps keep my "limited" handling skills better than manually flying on instruments as many choose to do. But most airlines have some form of inflight data monitoring and heights, speeds and positions you have to be at a certain point in an approach. Flying visually increases your chances of missing one of these "gates" (as they are known). That means less people (especially captains who are the ones who get the phone call !) are prepared to do it the old fashioned way !
But It's not just airline safety departments and pax comfort that are reducing the number of tight approaches. The fact is now that most airports, in the UK anyway, have some form of Noise Abatement procedure for arriving and departing aircraft. In the good old days you could follow the coast to 24 at EDI flying down Prince's Street in the process. All good fun for the two at the front but not necessarily for the pax or those on the street. EDI ATC still allow visuals but the little section at the front of the aerad book for EDI informs you that you have to turn final at a minimum of 7 miles to meet the noise abatement procedure. So flying a visual doesn't save you any time and you might as well cover your backside and stick with the ILS. It's the same at most other places. Plus no one thanks you for trying to save the two minutes if the computer says you were naughty !
With aviation in the dog house these days you hit your gates and fly the noise abatement. If you want to have fun go get the Pitts out of the hangar ! But don't fly it any where near a person who might hear the engine !!!!!!
But It's not just airline safety departments and pax comfort that are reducing the number of tight approaches. The fact is now that most airports, in the UK anyway, have some form of Noise Abatement procedure for arriving and departing aircraft. In the good old days you could follow the coast to 24 at EDI flying down Prince's Street in the process. All good fun for the two at the front but not necessarily for the pax or those on the street. EDI ATC still allow visuals but the little section at the front of the aerad book for EDI informs you that you have to turn final at a minimum of 7 miles to meet the noise abatement procedure. So flying a visual doesn't save you any time and you might as well cover your backside and stick with the ILS. It's the same at most other places. Plus no one thanks you for trying to save the two minutes if the computer says you were naughty !
With aviation in the dog house these days you hit your gates and fly the noise abatement. If you want to have fun go get the Pitts out of the hangar ! But don't fly it any where near a person who might hear the engine !!!!!!
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CheekyVisual,
Thanks for that. Much as I suspected.
It's all moved on.
For the better, or the worse, I wonder?
Thanks for that. Much as I suspected.
It's all moved on.
For the better, or the worse, I wonder?
Last edited by Midland 331; 20th Sep 2008 at 13:30. Reason: Protect myself from Pprune pedants. Get back to your own area!
