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Qantas B744 rejected t/o incident at LAX

Old 25th Mar 2008, 11:13
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Qantas B744 rejected t/o incident at LAX

Anyone know any more details about this ?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/qa...207101083.html

Not good publicity, is it ?

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Old 25th Mar 2008, 16:19
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Also, the pilot aborted when "he saw a warning light go off...."

I'd have worried more had a warning light come on personally...

Sloppy journalism, no real story.
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Old 25th Mar 2008, 16:42
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Let's not crucify the journalists over this. Remember, what's plainly obvious to us as pilots is an enigma to them. They obviously ran out of "cat got stuck up a tree" news items that day.
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Old 25th Mar 2008, 20:28
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Yeah, and ????????????????????
Just a bloody abort, what is there to abe ashamed of ??
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huh, what happened?

OK, just from what I've read here (can't get the posted website to work for me):

. 747 taking off...un-named warning light illuminated (went off?).

Pilot elected to reject (abort) the takeoff.

4 tires either blew or deflated due to fuseable plugs melting.

Did the plane remain on the runway and then taxi clear? Or was control lost and the plane went off the runway?

Did the tires blow or did the fuseable plugs just do their job?

Does anyone know which tires were involved (betting not the nose!)


Does anyone know what the warning light indicated?

Does anyone know at what speed the plane rejected? What was V1 that day?

And I'll bet the plane was near mgtow for such a long flight.
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Old 25th Mar 2008, 20:51
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Whats the problem????

Just a rejected takeoff.
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Old 25th Mar 2008, 21:01
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Certainly a hyperbolic bit of journalism.
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Old 25th Mar 2008, 21:23
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edit the post to say ryanair and not Q and it would be a massive thread of Ryanair bashing! lol,,, had it comeing, poor crew, tight MOL on tyres and brakes,,, yada yada yada.

lol,, this forum makes me laugh.
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Old 25th Mar 2008, 21:30
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Never mind blown tyres, I was on a flight last week and every time the pilot made a turn these panels appeared to come loose on the wing, funny thing was they went back to their original position when he levelled out but I reckon theres a story there.........
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I had this one evening flight and the little old lady seated next to me kept commenting that the pilot left the turn signal on.

And now back to our scheduled thread, already in progress.
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Thumbs up Panels Loose

My guess is that both VS69 and 11Fan really do know the "story" of the loose panels, but just in case they do not, they enhance roll rate, i.e. rise on the down going wing, remain stowed on the upgoing wing. Revert to stowed when straght and level.
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Old 26th Mar 2008, 04:09
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Post Much better report ...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/...207142858.html

An actually sound piece of reporting, credit where credit is due.

For those who are biting with flippant "so what" remarks - you truly get on my (and many other people's I'm sure) nerves.

It has been reported that the aircraft's nose wheel had left the ground and if this is true, the abort would have been quite traumatic for the 200+ pax, none of them would have been shouting "For heaven's sake, it's JUST a normal procedure" over the sounds of loud, not-normal-take-off-noise ...

I thought that once the nose wheel had left the ground the aircraft was committed to flight (Vr)? Now this is based on eye witness reports but that's all we have right now ,,,
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Old 26th Mar 2008, 06:06
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http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...44-462,00.html
Passenger Samantha Thomas last night told The Daily Telegraph the screams of frightened passengers filled the aircraft while others were thrown forward into seats.

"It started to take off and everything was fine. The nose of the plane was actually lifted up and we were going at full speed when suddenly the pilot slammed on the brakes," she said.
airspeed`s alive, we`re at full speed.
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Daelight, one does not abort a takeoff after V1. Nose gear lifts off at VR when you rotate. I very much doubt the passenger's report that they aborted after the nose wheel left the ground; how would they know? I agree that an abort is a traumatic experience for passengers but routine if required for aircrew. Once again crap reporting by news media is blowing this incident out of all proportion.
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Nose gear lifts off at VR when you rotate. I very much doubt the passenger's report that they aborted after the nose wheel left the ground; how would they know?
...by the scraping noise from the rear, trying to rotate before V1 of course.

...And don't get me started on AA pilot / aviation 'expert' Peter McHale who gets a point for saying that the tires didn't blow up but were slowly deflated by fuse plugs, but then looses a million points by saying that this was caused by the weight of the plane... So heat has nothing to do with it then?

I wonder what the EICAS message was that caused captain to reject the take-off? Was it an amber 'Journalist on board'?
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I thought the TV reporting on ABC News and Channel 9 were both pretty good and balanced. Both featured 'vox pop' comments from happy passengers as well as those who were concerned, and correctly reported the reason for the tyres deflating. Basically reported as newsworthy but not a real big deal. Of course the lead-in sentence is designed to get the viewers attention, but so is any headline.
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Old 26th Mar 2008, 15:04
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of course the 'top of the plane' hit the runway too.. the pilot managed to do a barrell roll before Vr!
Never mind the aborted takeoff, but that IS skill.

((I once saw a rubber lining on the leading edge of a BA 747's wing work itsself loose just after takeoff from LAX about 3 or 4 years ago)
I thought some poor bird was stuck on the leading edge, being held by wind, and then i saw a loop in the black thing and was like, so theres an end and a loop, oh wait, theres a long bit, AND ITS GONE!)
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