How orofessional is this?
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How orofessional is this?
I once saw a thread describing this video, but the link was wrong.
Here is the link:
JAT 727 (JU4521) cockpit - landing BEG RWY 12
Some observations:
PIC smoking, not strapped.
PF has no approach plates.
Door seems open, PAX standing in it.
Two people sitting behind crew. Does 727 have a FE?
Conversation, in Serbian, about a guy with chikens, on flight path, that would not lay eggs.
PIC "We left late, we are arriving early. What's that all about? 737 couldnt do that if it tried. Not even in theory."
Someone asking PF if he wants to land on the highway.
Someone explains that the highway toll booth is the marker used for turning to lineup with RWY.
Comments?
Here is the link:
JAT 727 (JU4521) cockpit - landing BEG RWY 12
Some observations:
PIC smoking, not strapped.
PF has no approach plates.
Door seems open, PAX standing in it.
Two people sitting behind crew. Does 727 have a FE?
Conversation, in Serbian, about a guy with chikens, on flight path, that would not lay eggs.
PIC "We left late, we are arriving early. What's that all about? 737 couldnt do that if it tried. Not even in theory."
Someone asking PF if he wants to land on the highway.
Someone explains that the highway toll booth is the marker used for turning to lineup with RWY.
Comments?
Last edited by Dushan; 21st March 2007 at 09:58. Reason: Typo
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From: Arizona
PIC probably has lap belt on.
Smoking...that's probably a European thing.
They're flying a visual approach, why have the plate tacked to the yoke. You review the important information before hand and fly a visual. Downwind, base, final...no big deal.
727 does need an FE.
I don't know who shot the video but perhaps it was the FO's, and he does have 4 stripes so he is a Captain, last flight.
Toll booth...a good cue on on the visual approach I'm guessing.
Telling jokes or whatever is just the usual banter in the cockpit. Perhaps it is non-pertinent chatter, but after you've flown awhile, you find yourself doing it.
They did run their checklists and acted professional in my opinion.
Smoking...that's probably a European thing.
They're flying a visual approach, why have the plate tacked to the yoke. You review the important information before hand and fly a visual. Downwind, base, final...no big deal.
727 does need an FE.
I don't know who shot the video but perhaps it was the FO's, and he does have 4 stripes so he is a Captain, last flight.
Toll booth...a good cue on on the visual approach I'm guessing.
Telling jokes or whatever is just the usual banter in the cockpit. Perhaps it is non-pertinent chatter, but after you've flown awhile, you find yourself doing it.
They did run their checklists and acted professional in my opinion.
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From: right here
ah come on. wx is good, no traffic, the guys are having a good time and they are not really pushing any limits. a shoulder harness would safe his skull from impacting on the panel, but thats his problem. maybe they're not established at 1.000 of 500, but on the other hand they operate their way smoothly. it's maybe "non-standard" and i wouldn't do it like this, but i fail to see anything really unsafe.
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From: fairly close to the colonial capitol
Cigars, Cigarettes?
I just might have preferred to work with the guys in the video as opposed to some of the cowboys and girls closer to home.
Smoking at that point of the ride may be questionable, but did you know that many 727s came with ashtrays up front?
Smoking at that point of the ride may be questionable, but did you know that many 727s came with ashtrays up front?
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From: EDDF
nice visual
hi all
many airplanes have fallen of the sky because off bad CRM and that the guys didnt get along.
i always take rather an oldman smoking thank a captain whos an A§§HOWL.
There were 3 old guys flying a visual to a very familiar airport. looked like the flying part was pretty good. early establishment, checklists read timely and good basic flying. to all you chairflyers, get a life....
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many airplanes have fallen of the sky because off bad CRM and that the guys didnt get along.
i always take rather an oldman smoking thank a captain whos an A§§HOWL.
There were 3 old guys flying a visual to a very familiar airport. looked like the flying part was pretty good. early establishment, checklists read timely and good basic flying. to all you chairflyers, get a life....
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From: Italy
Nothing wrong here.
Nice visual approach (but a bit below glide on short) and smooth landing.
The guy taking the video is seating on the jumpseat behind the Capt.
Smoking in the cockpit?? When was that video taken??? Not all the companies are banning this and in many others, despite the ban, some are still smoking.... (Would you denounce a colleague or friend for this act which has absolutely nothing to see with safety??? (BTW I don't smoke))
Relax?? Do you need to appear stressed to look "orofessional"???
Happy landings
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From: UK
Some interesting variations on what makes a professional, and some even more interesting variations in the spelling of the word professional!
Speaking of a shiny new airbus, my god how I would have loved to have flown the 727. I should have been born earlier. Those days are gone forever!
Speaking of a shiny new airbus, my god how I would have loved to have flown the 727. I should have been born earlier. Those days are gone forever!
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From: South of France
One of the finest flights I had was couple of years back into Yakutsk from DME with Krasnair.
Door to flight deck open, flight crew mixing (not drinks before you ask) happily with pax, chatting about this and that. The age range of the flight crew (4) was from 25-62 and they appeared to operate in a familiar, friendly and professional manner. I had blagged my way on the flight deck and towards the end of the sector they realised a wx diversion was necessary. Everybody got their heads into charts/plates etc. I thought it probably best to get out of the way but the FE just looked up, shook his head and motioned for me to stay.
Impossible anywhere else, I know and I'm sure the naysayers will quote rules and regulations and what-if's...but I b****y enjoyed it and felt pleased to have had the privilege of sitting with a group of guys who loved what they did.
Door to flight deck open, flight crew mixing (not drinks before you ask) happily with pax, chatting about this and that. The age range of the flight crew (4) was from 25-62 and they appeared to operate in a familiar, friendly and professional manner. I had blagged my way on the flight deck and towards the end of the sector they realised a wx diversion was necessary. Everybody got their heads into charts/plates etc. I thought it probably best to get out of the way but the FE just looked up, shook his head and motioned for me to stay.
Impossible anywhere else, I know and I'm sure the naysayers will quote rules and regulations and what-if's...but I b****y enjoyed it and felt pleased to have had the privilege of sitting with a group of guys who loved what they did.
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From: in the mist
"Some observations:
PIC smoking, not strapped.
PF has no approach plates.
Door seems open, PAX standing in it.
Two people sitting behind crew. Does 727 have a FE?
Conversation, in Serbian, about a guy with chikens, on flight path, that would not lay eggs.
PIC "We left late, we are arriving early. What's that all about? 737 couldnt do that if it tried. Not even in theory."
Someone asking PF if he wants to land on the highway.
Someone explains that the highway toll booth is the marker used for turning to lineup with RWY.
Comments?"
Wouldn't concern me. However, what would be of greater concern is being low on the profile and triggering a "Glideslope" gpws warning, which so far no one has commented on. Hitting the approach lights is a bigger sin than smoking a fag in my opinion!
PIC smoking, not strapped.
PF has no approach plates.
Door seems open, PAX standing in it.
Two people sitting behind crew. Does 727 have a FE?
Conversation, in Serbian, about a guy with chikens, on flight path, that would not lay eggs.
PIC "We left late, we are arriving early. What's that all about? 737 couldnt do that if it tried. Not even in theory."
Someone asking PF if he wants to land on the highway.
Someone explains that the highway toll booth is the marker used for turning to lineup with RWY.
Comments?"
Wouldn't concern me. However, what would be of greater concern is being low on the profile and triggering a "Glideslope" gpws warning, which so far no one has commented on. Hitting the approach lights is a bigger sin than smoking a fag in my opinion!