A 380 (Merged)
A380 @ Lhr 18/03/2008
Hi,
Planning to go down and see this arrive next Month. According the runway alternation it should arrive 27L, but then as it's due at 1505 it's a bit close to the alternation. Anyone know in advance whether it will be one or the other? (assuming westerly ops).
Thanks
Planning to go down and see this arrive next Month. According the runway alternation it should arrive 27L, but then as it's due at 1505 it's a bit close to the alternation. Anyone know in advance whether it will be one or the other? (assuming westerly ops).
Thanks
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Next A380 models
What are the next A380 models Airbus would build?
Boeing 747-100 entered into service in January 1970. In June 1971, KLM started service of Boeing 747-200, with increased MTOW.
Douglas DC-10-10 entered into service in August 1971. In 1972, Douglas started delivering DC-10-40 and DC-10-30, with new wing, extra middle leg and increased MTOW.
Boeing 707-320 came out not very long after Boeing 707-120.
How much growth capacity is built into the Airbus 380-841?
The MTOW is 569 tons. There are mentions of MTOW like 590 tons, 625 tons, 650 tons...
Airbus 340-600HGW has MTOW of 380 tons and wing area like, 427 square metres. Which is barely more than half the 845 square metre wing area of A380.
If you want to build an A380 model whose wing loading, stall speed and runway length is similar to A340-600HGW, you get MTOW of about 750 tons!
So, what would be the next A380 models? And when would Airbus be ready to deliver them?
Boeing designed and built Boeing 747-400ER to satisfy a single order for 6 planes - the Qantas ones.
Qantas wanted 747-400ER for the MEL-LAX route. 12 800 km, and LAX-MEL is westwards - 747-400 non-ER has payload-range restrictions.
Qantas 380-841 would enter into service on the same MEL-LAX, because SYD-LAX is comfortable for 747, but even 747-400ER still struggles on MEL-LAX.
SQ wants to use A380-841 on HKG-SFO - 11 200 km. SQ was worried that A380 would struggle with payload-range on the westbound side nevertheless. Now that A380 is flying SIN-SYD, they discovered that the fuel burn is several % better than Airbus promised - it would also be better on SIN-LHR and SFO-HKG...
EK plans flying A380 DXB-JFK (11 000 km).
There are a number of routes now flown by A340-500 and B777-200LR. EK has DXB-GRU (12 200 km). PIA has KHI-JFK (11 700 km). Indian has JFK-BOM (12 500 km). Singapore has A340-500 struggling on SIN-LAX (14100 km) and SIN-EWR (15 400 km).
Are there any attractive routes which are slightly beyond the range of the now A380 and which have sufficiently large demand to fill A380-800 rather than A340-500 or B777-200LR?
Boeing 747-100 entered into service in January 1970. In June 1971, KLM started service of Boeing 747-200, with increased MTOW.
Douglas DC-10-10 entered into service in August 1971. In 1972, Douglas started delivering DC-10-40 and DC-10-30, with new wing, extra middle leg and increased MTOW.
Boeing 707-320 came out not very long after Boeing 707-120.
How much growth capacity is built into the Airbus 380-841?
The MTOW is 569 tons. There are mentions of MTOW like 590 tons, 625 tons, 650 tons...
Airbus 340-600HGW has MTOW of 380 tons and wing area like, 427 square metres. Which is barely more than half the 845 square metre wing area of A380.
If you want to build an A380 model whose wing loading, stall speed and runway length is similar to A340-600HGW, you get MTOW of about 750 tons!
So, what would be the next A380 models? And when would Airbus be ready to deliver them?
Boeing designed and built Boeing 747-400ER to satisfy a single order for 6 planes - the Qantas ones.
Qantas wanted 747-400ER for the MEL-LAX route. 12 800 km, and LAX-MEL is westwards - 747-400 non-ER has payload-range restrictions.
Qantas 380-841 would enter into service on the same MEL-LAX, because SYD-LAX is comfortable for 747, but even 747-400ER still struggles on MEL-LAX.
SQ wants to use A380-841 on HKG-SFO - 11 200 km. SQ was worried that A380 would struggle with payload-range on the westbound side nevertheless. Now that A380 is flying SIN-SYD, they discovered that the fuel burn is several % better than Airbus promised - it would also be better on SIN-LHR and SFO-HKG...
EK plans flying A380 DXB-JFK (11 000 km).
There are a number of routes now flown by A340-500 and B777-200LR. EK has DXB-GRU (12 200 km). PIA has KHI-JFK (11 700 km). Indian has JFK-BOM (12 500 km). Singapore has A340-500 struggling on SIN-LAX (14100 km) and SIN-EWR (15 400 km).
Are there any attractive routes which are slightly beyond the range of the now A380 and which have sufficiently large demand to fill A380-800 rather than A340-500 or B777-200LR?
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Any A380 Proving Flights To LHR?
Does anybody know if SQ are planning to do any route proving flights to LHR with the A380 prior to the first scheduled service on the 18th of March?
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Where's the A380 Gone?
I thought SIA had their first commercial A380 due in LHR later today. It's not showing up on their web site which lists all the SIA-LHR flights as 747-40os.
Any news?
Any news?
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Took delivery at beginning of this week...first commercial to LHR due on 18 March!
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Took delivery at beginning of this week...first commercial to LHR due on 18 March!
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You are quoting a lot of distances, would you kindly expand on if you mean great circle distances, Still Air Distances or ESAD? It makes quite a difference
Singapore has A340-500 struggling on SIN-LAX (14100 km) and SIN-EWR (15 400 km) Why do you say that its struggling?
Mutt
You are quoting a lot of distances, would you kindly expand on if you mean great circle distances, Still Air Distances or ESAD? It makes quite a difference
Singapore has A340-500 struggling on SIN-LAX (14100 km) and SIN-EWR (15 400 km) Why do you say that its struggling?
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You are quoting a lot of distances, would you kindly expand on if you mean great circle distances, Still Air Distances of ESAD? It makes quite a difference
Singapore has A340-500 struggling on SIN-LAX (14100 km) and SIN-EWR (15 400 km) Why do you say that its struggling?
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singapore a380 flight into heathrow
someone told me that the a380 is due into heathrow on it's first commercial flight to london, Is this true and if so does anyone know when it is?
Singapore Airlines news release
They announced this at the end of January
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Singapore Airlines A380 Flies To London From 18 March 2008
30 January 2008
Singapore Airlines will fly the world’s largest passenger aircraft - the Airbus A380 - on the Singapore-London route, from 18 March 2008, after the Airline takes delivery of the third A380 into its fleet by mid-March. The inaugural flight is also the first-ever A380 commercial service to Europe.
The first A380 flight to London, SQ 308, will leave Singapore’s Changi Airport on Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 0900 hrs and arrive at London’s Heathrow Airport at 1505hrs (all times local).
On the same day, the aircraft will return to Singapore, operating as SQ 319, departing Heathrow at 1855hrs, arriving back into Singapore at 1535hrs on Wednesday,
19 March 2008.
Thereafter, the Singapore Airlines A380 will commence regular scheduled services, operating SQ322 daily on the Singapore-London sector from the evening of Tuesday 18 March, and on SQ 317 for the return leg from 19 March. A schedule of the flight times can be found in Annex 1.
Singapore Airlines is the first airline to fly the A380. The British capital is the Airline’s second A380 destination after the launch to Sydney in October 2007.
30 January 2008
Singapore Airlines will fly the world’s largest passenger aircraft - the Airbus A380 - on the Singapore-London route, from 18 March 2008, after the Airline takes delivery of the third A380 into its fleet by mid-March. The inaugural flight is also the first-ever A380 commercial service to Europe.
The first A380 flight to London, SQ 308, will leave Singapore’s Changi Airport on Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 0900 hrs and arrive at London’s Heathrow Airport at 1505hrs (all times local).
On the same day, the aircraft will return to Singapore, operating as SQ 319, departing Heathrow at 1855hrs, arriving back into Singapore at 1535hrs on Wednesday,
19 March 2008.
Thereafter, the Singapore Airlines A380 will commence regular scheduled services, operating SQ322 daily on the Singapore-London sector from the evening of Tuesday 18 March, and on SQ 317 for the return leg from 19 March. A schedule of the flight times can be found in Annex 1.
Singapore Airlines is the first airline to fly the A380. The British capital is the Airline’s second A380 destination after the launch to Sydney in October 2007.
Cant imagine they should be sitting down there.
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just a question regarding the A380 and LHR--say there was a problem at LHR and it has to divert-where else in the UK have handling facilities/pier/steps etc for it?