SIA mistake?
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From: Citizen of the World
I'm sure you are by now well aware that Singaporeans, especially Singaporean pilots, CANNOT make a mistake!!
But guess which Singaporean airline almost landed on the new (Changi East?) runway in SIN a few months ago? I'd bet that you didn't see that fact in the Straits Times.
But guess which Singaporean airline almost landed on the new (Changi East?) runway in SIN a few months ago? I'd bet that you didn't see that fact in the Straits Times.
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From: Eye of the Storm
To some, the reference to SIN might be a bit puzzling, since landing on runways (new or old) is usually not out of the norm for most airlines. 
Apparently wot Mr. Sidstar is referring to is the (for now, anyway) RSAF-only runway at what is formally known as Changi Air Base (East).
Since we won't read about it in the S-T, Mr. S, care to provide some details, please? Or is this just an ugly rumour?
If it helps, I think most here have guessed the airline already...
Apparently wot Mr. Sidstar is referring to is the (for now, anyway) RSAF-only runway at what is formally known as Changi Air Base (East).
Since we won't read about it in the S-T, Mr. S, care to provide some details, please? Or is this just an ugly rumour?
If it helps, I think most here have guessed the airline already...
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From: SIN
believed this is onlya joke or rumour - as no such thing especially for a S'pore-based airline to land on the "wrong" runway. Changi Airport have 2 parallel runways ie 02L and 02R. However since last year there's a new parallel runway abt almost 2 km away which belongs to the S'pore Naval Changi Base. But any pilot can see the difference when on landing approach.
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From: The Attic
But any pilot can see the difference when on landing approach.
An example of another airport that got a third parallel runway: In the early days of EHAM's rwy 18R aircraft have repeatedly been trying to land on the "wrong" runway at EHAM and were told to go around, and even on 18R when it was still under construction (big yellow "X") and formally didn't even exist yet, despite NOTAMS of the thing being there and despite the fact that this runway is also displaced in the lateral sense.
So maybe there's some truth to this rumour, maybe there isn't. Rest assured, I have no axe to grind with SIA, but I think you're a little too quick with dismissing this as a joke.
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From: uk
If the pilot had been non singaporean perhaps they could hang him.Understand theres a session in the gallows in a couple of days. Still look on the bright side,they get their christmas illuminations up early in sin!
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From: Switzerland, Singapore
Whatt??? A northerly runway on a 02/20 direction? You guys have no clue, do you?
SIN/WSSS has 2 runways, 02L/02C and 20R/20C. The center RWY is the one on the eastern side, towards the military side. The third RWY (02R/20L) belongs to Changi AFB of the RSAF. It's the most easterly runway, with no (official) TWY connected to SIN.
SQ777 and AWR are wrong, gb777 and Max Tow (partly) are correct.
Dani (flying everyday in SIN)
SIN/WSSS has 2 runways, 02L/02C and 20R/20C. The center RWY is the one on the eastern side, towards the military side. The third RWY (02R/20L) belongs to Changi AFB of the RSAF. It's the most easterly runway, with no (official) TWY connected to SIN.
SQ777 and AWR are wrong, gb777 and Max Tow (partly) are correct.
Dani (flying everyday in SIN)
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there are only 2 runways at WSSS.
reckon that some folks may be mislead by
http://www.worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=SN90056
what is being called 2R is the changi AFB which isnot for civilian use, let alone connected by any kind of taxiways.
reckon that some folks may be mislead by
http://www.worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=SN90056
what is being called 2R is the changi AFB which isnot for civilian use, let alone connected by any kind of taxiways.
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From: Australia
As a general rule all approaches to SIN are radar vectors to the ILS so the chance of lining up on the most Easterly r/w are, I would say, nil. If the crew elect to go visual and line up on the wrong r/w radar will soon tell them and the crew should be monitoring the ILS anyway, (SOP).
SIA do a fair amount of training out of Changi and it is just a possibility that the RSAF might let them use their r/w for touch and goes to keep the training a/c away from commercial traffic.
Otherswise I'd say it never happened.
SIA do a fair amount of training out of Changi and it is just a possibility that the RSAF might let them use their r/w for touch and goes to keep the training a/c away from commercial traffic.
Otherswise I'd say it never happened.
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From: Oz
I realise we are talking about Singapore here but I understood about 25 or more years ago ICAO and safety aware regulatory authorities did away with those reciprocal RWY numbering combinations that were prone to misidentification. Specifically 02/20 & 13/31.
Is this perhaps another indication that the rest of the world is out of step.
Singapore never makes mistakes, especially in Auckland or Taipei
VT
Is this perhaps another indication that the rest of the world is out of step.
Singapore never makes mistakes, especially in Auckland or Taipei
VT
