737-200 banked 87 deg?
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Can somebody confirm or deny a rumour I heard of an incident in Italy recently where a 737-200 banked 87 deg.
I didn't think this was possible.
Was this fatigue or how did it happen (if it did). Didn't see it in the papers.
I didn't think this was possible.
Was this fatigue or how did it happen (if it did). Didn't see it in the papers.
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Doesn't make much difference but believe it was an 800,no doubt the full details will become public (like the Skavsta incident) once the IAA have investigated/unless the pilots were fatigued,in which case it will be OK for RYR to investigate and deal with it. . . Ha, Ha! Capt in Skavsta (if we recall) claims part of the reason he cocked-up was fatigue/stress,if you try and tell them you are fatigued,you get demoted. . . shome mishtake shurely.
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Heard that it started with an approach into CIA down to minimums-go around and divert to FCO. Down to mins again, GA then a diversion to BDS circle to land and landed with 150 Kgs a side. Are the two rumours linked?
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150kg a side sounds (I really hope) like an exagerration(ie in the negative sense), believe the aerobatics took place over the sea into FCO; there are "rumours", & I stress "rumours", of screaming pax putting life-jackets on,but I doubt it,since when did any Italian pax listen to the safety brief!With or without any of the hysterical stuff, scary enough for all concerned I'm sure.The thing that surprises me is how this didn't hit the Italian press,they would love this sort of thing;Don't suppose that nice Mr Berlusconi recently received a few share options?
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For the benefit of anyone outside the industry
The inevitable consequence of such a high bank angle, held for more than a few few seconds, will be a very high rate of descent. The descent could subsequently be stopped only after rolling the wings level.
Minimum landing fuel for a 737 would typically be at least 2000kg, or 1000kg following a diversion.
Minimum landing fuel for a 737 would typically be at least 2000kg, or 1000kg following a diversion.
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Captplay, I doubt the story of the Life Jackets is true. On the 800s the Life Jackets are stored in the Flap that drops down with the Oxygen masks. They are up there to stop the repeat of the thousands of lifejackets that were/are stolen off the other aircraft that had them under the seats every year.
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Good evening from the Bel Paese (Italy)
Very interesting story, however I sincerely believe that it did not happen. Actually, and I am pretty involved with Italian aeronautical matters, I have heard nothing about it at all. It could be that I am wrong, but I doubt: it would have been a massive cover-up operation, impossible with 180 pax on board.
Furthermore, as you may guess, ENAC (the Italian CAA), all the medias (TVs, daily press, etc.) and AZ are - say - very close "friends", and if it really happend it would have hit the headlines for days if not weeks. ENAC would have also grounded FR in Italy immediately and forever, possibly!
Remember also that in these days the nearly bankrupt (or simply bankrupt ?) flag carrier is keeping a very close eye on anything that could help its survival. This would have been a "golden", actually a "platinum" opportunity: ...low cost airlines are unsafe, they cut on maintenance costs, they cut corners, LCC pilots are under pressure to land/take off always, bla, bla, bla ...
And do not forget the behaviour of the average Italian pax: they would have called nationl TVs, local TVs, all kind of medias, friends, relatives, MPs and possibly the Pope with their mobiles 1 sec after landing ...
No, I do not believe that any FR 73s did an 87 deg bank here under. Possibly what happened it was a GA with a strong pull up and bank, but by far not an 87 deg. It could also have been that the Capt was smart enough to inform over the PA during the approach that due to fog a GA was a strong possibility, and no one on board paid attention to it. GAs happen in northern Italy regularly, and I do remember Capts saying "... we are now on final approach (even if they were still far away on the glide path) your destination airport where visibility right now is just above our minima ...possibly we will be forced to abort our landing and try another approach/divert to our alternate airport ...if this will happen the aircraft will initially climb strongly ...this is perfectly normal ... I do also remember Capts doing a very good mktg job saying that they (their airline)would love to land, but the destination airport ILS (I recall TRN, MXP, LIN, VCE, BLQ in the not too distant past) was not fully operational/not certified/out of service/not Cat. 3A or B. Airline xyz apologizes, but the blame had to be put on the airport authority. Thank you for your understanding and flying airline xyz.
Very interesting story, however I sincerely believe that it did not happen. Actually, and I am pretty involved with Italian aeronautical matters, I have heard nothing about it at all. It could be that I am wrong, but I doubt: it would have been a massive cover-up operation, impossible with 180 pax on board.
Furthermore, as you may guess, ENAC (the Italian CAA), all the medias (TVs, daily press, etc.) and AZ are - say - very close "friends", and if it really happend it would have hit the headlines for days if not weeks. ENAC would have also grounded FR in Italy immediately and forever, possibly!
Remember also that in these days the nearly bankrupt (or simply bankrupt ?) flag carrier is keeping a very close eye on anything that could help its survival. This would have been a "golden", actually a "platinum" opportunity: ...low cost airlines are unsafe, they cut on maintenance costs, they cut corners, LCC pilots are under pressure to land/take off always, bla, bla, bla ...
And do not forget the behaviour of the average Italian pax: they would have called nationl TVs, local TVs, all kind of medias, friends, relatives, MPs and possibly the Pope with their mobiles 1 sec after landing ...
No, I do not believe that any FR 73s did an 87 deg bank here under. Possibly what happened it was a GA with a strong pull up and bank, but by far not an 87 deg. It could also have been that the Capt was smart enough to inform over the PA during the approach that due to fog a GA was a strong possibility, and no one on board paid attention to it. GAs happen in northern Italy regularly, and I do remember Capts saying "... we are now on final approach (even if they were still far away on the glide path) your destination airport where visibility right now is just above our minima ...possibly we will be forced to abort our landing and try another approach/divert to our alternate airport ...if this will happen the aircraft will initially climb strongly ...this is perfectly normal ... I do also remember Capts doing a very good mktg job saying that they (their airline)would love to land, but the destination airport ILS (I recall TRN, MXP, LIN, VCE, BLQ in the not too distant past) was not fully operational/not certified/out of service/not Cat. 3A or B. Airline xyz apologizes, but the blame had to be put on the airport authority. Thank you for your understanding and flying airline xyz.
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I wouldn't expect ENAC to get involved,they have the same level of interest in regulating as the IAA ie none.(having worked for Blue Paranoia I am not guessing believe me) but I agree yes,it is incredible the pax didn't go screaming to the media along with the Alitalia lawyers to Silvio.I can only assume it was an AWFUL LOT of share options;no couldn't be, Mr B is an honest guy. . .isn't he?
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"but I doubt it,since when did any Italian pax listen to the safety brief!"
Whilst not defending any [one] airline, I have flown on many "EU" Carriers who do not give any"safety brief"
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"but I doubt it,since when did any Italian pax listen to the safety brief!"
Whilst not defending any [one] airline, I have flown on many "EU" Carriers who do not give any"safety brief"
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With the diversity of nationalities/accents in RYR you may not understand it,but you will receive it;if you don't speak English that is what the pretty stickers on the seat in front of you are for,all legal and above board(in this case at least)