Skiathos skidmarks !
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That is one seriously low Olympic ATR-42!
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Just returned from Skiathos, solo flying. The trip was fantastic, unlimited visibility under scattered cumulus at 2500 during the entire trip resulted in me going coast to coast and enjoying the view... Unfortunately although i landed and took off on 02, i was not able to see the skid marks. You see, i was concetrating on my flare as WHBM suggested 
At take off, the 10 knots headwing resulted in the c182 taking off at a few hundreds of feet, so i was above the runways treshold at about 800 feet and could not see. Anyway, i have captured a video that i will upload ASAP.
At take off, the 10 knots headwing resulted in the c182 taking off at a few hundreds of feet, so i was above the runways treshold at about 800 feet and could not see. Anyway, i have captured a video that i will upload ASAP.
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For your delectation, a little something I prepared earlier (about two years earlier). Short final from the f/d of a B737 into Skiathos. Landing is uphill. Other way is even more interesting.
Oh, and the skidmarks weren't mine either!
© PPRuNe Ltd 2005
Oh, and the skidmarks weren't mine either!
© PPRuNe Ltd 2005
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Aristomenis, glad at your evidently safe return.
The skidmarks will now disappear into urban legend unless some brave ppruner carries a stepladder down to the threshold and snaps them before the unnamed scandahoovians sneak in at night to scrub them off with steel brushes and loads of clorox.
The skidmarks will now disappear into urban legend unless some brave ppruner carries a stepladder down to the threshold and snaps them before the unnamed scandahoovians sneak in at night to scrub them off with steel brushes and loads of clorox.
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I got some information coming from the ATC who was on shift the day of the incident.
This is all I was told in brief :
Some weeks ago, Bristish charter, MD8x , lands midfield, brakes hard, turns sharply at end of runway while still braking hard, smoke starts coming off from aircraft (below I guess), ATC informs pilots about smoke and that they called airport fire brigade, pilot specifies that he does not need f.b., all ends well.
ATC said aircraft touched down way too late down runway 02.
This is all I was told in brief :
Some weeks ago, Bristish charter, MD8x , lands midfield, brakes hard, turns sharply at end of runway while still braking hard, smoke starts coming off from aircraft (below I guess), ATC informs pilots about smoke and that they called airport fire brigade, pilot specifies that he does not need f.b., all ends well.
ATC said aircraft touched down way too late down runway 02.
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I thought that the tower cannot see over towards the far end of rwy02 due to morphology?
It otherwise sounds as close a save as it looks
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It otherwise sounds as close a save as it looks
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Skiathos is a Short Runway airport for most airlines, so landing on the Touch Down Zone Markers is a must, when you float you will end up making very bad skid marks if you decide to land, in the worst case you end up in the Beach-bar on the north side of rwy 02, hope the Frappee will still be cold by then.
Skiathos is a very nice airport, but do not underestimate it.
QTA, nice controllers they have by the way...............
Skiathos is a very nice airport, but do not underestimate it.
QTA, nice controllers they have by the way...............
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There are no MD80 UK airlines - was the charterer British ?
Since the info. came from a friend of the ATC (who I asked to do the query) the "Bristish" may be a misscommunication.
The (exact word quote)Emdieightysomething and the (exact word quote)charter are more definite the way it sounded when I was told about the incident.
I could not ask for more info. because such discussions are delicate
ThinkRate, Skiathos now has a new higher tower (room!) and (I believe) the full runway length is visible. It is a clever construction of a tower's control room building just constructed over the old one (one extra storey height).
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Which Island / Which Operator / Which Airplane?
Is a Picture Worth a Thousand Words?
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Chirp Report Text: Having just landed at ###, an Island with a short, narrow runway, I noticed to my amazement aircraft tyre tracks which continued beyond the end of the runway onto a small area of stopway.
The tracks were made quite clearly by all 4 mainwheel tyres skidding, leaving dark black lines, and even the nosewheel tyre marks could be seen, the skid marks commenced approximately two thirds the way down the runway from the threshold, veered sharply off to the left of the centreline, returned to and crossed the centreline at the end of the runway and stopped in a curving arc, with the final nosewheel imprint roughly 5 metres before the end of this small piece of stopway.* Beyond this point there is a steep drop onto a small beach.
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On enquiring as to what had happened to cause this near disaster, I was told that the aircraft in question was a ### (twinjet) operated by a non-UK airline on charter to a UK company and routing from AAA (a UK regional airport).* The aircraft had been seen landing 'half-way' down the runway, then (as the end of the runway is not visible from the apron) had re-appeared, with smoke pouring from its brake units, as it back-tracked the runway to the apron.* I was also told that this aircraft came in each week with a different Captain (of differing nationalities) and always had some sort of technical problem!
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In my company this destination is classed as one of the most challenging and requires special training and recency, with Captains only landing, and experienced Captains at that.* In my judgement, from the evidence available, this was an extremely serious incident that only narrowly avoided becoming a disaster!* Should British subjects be unwittingly exposed to the dangers of non-UK registered, third-party operators such as these, who may not have the rigorous training and standards that traditional British airlines enjoy?
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Chirp Report Text: Having just landed at ###, an Island with a short, narrow runway, I noticed to my amazement aircraft tyre tracks which continued beyond the end of the runway onto a small area of stopway.
The tracks were made quite clearly by all 4 mainwheel tyres skidding, leaving dark black lines, and even the nosewheel tyre marks could be seen, the skid marks commenced approximately two thirds the way down the runway from the threshold, veered sharply off to the left of the centreline, returned to and crossed the centreline at the end of the runway and stopped in a curving arc, with the final nosewheel imprint roughly 5 metres before the end of this small piece of stopway.* Beyond this point there is a steep drop onto a small beach.
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On enquiring as to what had happened to cause this near disaster, I was told that the aircraft in question was a ### (twinjet) operated by a non-UK airline on charter to a UK company and routing from AAA (a UK regional airport).* The aircraft had been seen landing 'half-way' down the runway, then (as the end of the runway is not visible from the apron) had re-appeared, with smoke pouring from its brake units, as it back-tracked the runway to the apron.* I was also told that this aircraft came in each week with a different Captain (of differing nationalities) and always had some sort of technical problem!
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In my company this destination is classed as one of the most challenging and requires special training and recency, with Captains only landing, and experienced Captains at that.* In my judgement, from the evidence available, this was an extremely serious incident that only narrowly avoided becoming a disaster!* Should British subjects be unwittingly exposed to the dangers of non-UK registered, third-party operators such as these, who may not have the rigorous training and standards that traditional British airlines enjoy?
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Originally Posted by Dagger Dirk
Should British subjects be unwittingly exposed to the dangers of non-UK registered, third-party operators such as these, who may not have the rigorous training and standards that traditional British airlines enjoy?
