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Old 22nd Sep 2005, 00:14
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The nose gear is down but twisted 90 degrees. Live coverage of the plane on major US cable news networks. Presntly dumping fuel.
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Old 22nd Sep 2005, 00:16
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Sky news reporting that the nosegear has been 'twisted through 90 degrees'! Truly bizarre. Watching a live feed now of it apparently making an approach into LAX after dumping fuel. Reportedly 145 POB. Good luck!

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MSNBC reports: From an NTSB agent, airbus does not have capabilities to dump fuel. Expected to land 5:25p LAX.
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CNN: says they dumped fuel... Can they or can't they?
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Cannot dump fuel

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A320's do not have fuel dump capability - misinformed Journo.
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Why can't they dump fuel. Technical reason or political (environmental wacko laws in CA?)
 
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Yes, the television reporters have corrected that the pilots are burning off fuel, and don't have the capability to dump it.
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Fuel dumping is accomplished from a fuel manifold by opening a valve on the manifold, fuel is dumped overboard, this aircraft will fly fine on one engine so there is no need for this feature.

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What if they had no luxury of circling and burning off fuel. What if they were on fire and had to land in a hurry, right after take off. Can anyone comment. Are all A320s like this or are all Airbuses like this.
 
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Fuel dump is only required equipment if you need to get down to max landing wt. in a hurry.

Flaps are still up, so he's not in a big hurry. (17:52 PDT)

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If you had to land in a hurry, then it probably would not matter wether you had dumping capability or not. No time to dump, only land
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Old 22nd Sep 2005, 00:54
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The same NTSB agent mentioned some Boeing a/c also cannot dump fuel ie: MD-80
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Some Boeing Aircraft; MD80

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Some Boeing Aircraft; MD80

Includes some 767-200 models, no dumping system installed.
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Old 22nd Sep 2005, 17:03
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If you are in a hurry, do the overweight landing check-list and land right away.

If you have time and need to be be light, either dump if your aircraft is so equiped (nearly all wide-bodies) or burned it (a lot of narrow bodies).

Here, with landing gear problem, trying to be light make sense.
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Old 22nd Sep 2005, 22:00
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Lots of newer aircraft these days are certified to land at close to MTOW in emergency, hence fuel dump feature not required.
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Old 23rd Sep 2005, 09:02
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As far as I know if an aircraft can structurally survive a landing at MTOW then a fuel dump feature is not required.

The B757-200/300 has no fuel dump feature.
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A 300-600

MTOW 150.000 kg
MLW 138.000 kg

NO FUEL DUMP
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Old 23rd Sep 2005, 09:56
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Any aeroplane can land back at MTOW in an emergency! They do it very easily. If they can take off from a runway, they can land back on it at MTOW. Even a B747-400 on fire will quite happily land back at that weight! But a fuel jettison system is fitted, usually to longer range aircraft as the spread between MTOW and MLW is so large- some 75 tonnes or so, and it may be necessary to lose fuel to minimum levels resulting in some 12+ hours burning up fuel without a jettison system.
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