Airbus Paris Air Show Party On Hold (Merged)
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These are not the numbers you are looking for.
The numbers of unfilled orders for Boeing and Airbus are around 1000 and 1500 respectively, and the 787 is (not surprisingly) picking up where the 767 left off.
Right now, Airbus is in a bit of a bind. Delays (even ones that are "merely" the result of the great deals they inked with their launch partners) mean paying out huge penalties to the customers, and moving back the "break even" point even further. So they need to make more sales of their shiny A380, but this same bit of bad press means that potential customers are smelling blood.
The deep pockets of the EU will not let Airbus slip into insolvency. I hope the airlines pass their savings onto the customers.
The numbers of unfilled orders for Boeing and Airbus are around 1000 and 1500 respectively, and the 787 is (not surprisingly) picking up where the 767 left off.
Right now, Airbus is in a bit of a bind. Delays (even ones that are "merely" the result of the great deals they inked with their launch partners) mean paying out huge penalties to the customers, and moving back the "break even" point even further. So they need to make more sales of their shiny A380, but this same bit of bad press means that potential customers are smelling blood.
The deep pockets of the EU will not let Airbus slip into insolvency. I hope the airlines pass their savings onto the customers.
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A380-DELAY-DID YOU HEAR THIS
I did hear from a very reliable source in the industry that one of the tests they carried out was an anti-hacking test of the main systems as it is datalinked to the ground at all times.
Rumour has it that this test failed dramatically and somebody was able to access all the systems with ease, he was however an expert in the field. I am sure there were other problems, anybody heard any other info??
Rumour has it that this test failed dramatically and somebody was able to access all the systems with ease, he was however an expert in the field. I am sure there were other problems, anybody heard any other info??
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catchup - then let's take it off the 737 as well, shall we? That way it won't roll onto its back and slam into the ground.
As for Focal - well old bean, how many Advanceds have Boeing sold to date? Just curious. 100? 200? 250? 400?
I'm damn sure that if Boeing are fool enough to keep buying their aircraft, Airbus will be quite willing to keep producing them.
As for Focal - well old bean, how many Advanceds have Boeing sold to date? Just curious. 100? 200? 250? 400?
I'm damn sure that if Boeing are fool enough to keep buying their aircraft, Airbus will be quite willing to keep producing them.
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Beagle,
Nice quote and completely factaully incorrect.
737 sales totals are 1000 higher than A320s. So that is the most popular jet in the world.
well over 900 767s sold, so that is the most popular twin aisle. And actually that is still several hundred short of the 747 totals so its the 3rd most popular twin aisle jet.
So nice spin, and all wrong.
Cheers
Wino
Nice quote and completely factaully incorrect.
737 sales totals are 1000 higher than A320s. So that is the most popular jet in the world.
well over 900 767s sold, so that is the most popular twin aisle. And actually that is still several hundred short of the 747 totals so its the 3rd most popular twin aisle jet.
So nice spin, and all wrong.
Cheers
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Back to the drawing board?
No, definetly. The kg, which is calibrated in Paris, will become a new value.
Further on 1015 g will be equal to 1 kg.
It's that simple....
regards
No, definetly. The kg, which is calibrated in Paris, will become a new value.
Further on 1015 g will be equal to 1 kg.
It's that simple....
regards
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I must admit, I'm just not into sl@gging off new aircraft development and production. It all sounds a bit like 19th-century writings on heavier-than-air flight....
Although I'll never get to fly one (first of the newer widebodies I've missed), I'm mightily envious of those that will, and I wish Airbus all the best in their endeavour. Where would aviation be if we didn't at least try (massive costs aside...ahem, Brabazon, anybody?).
"The (French)man who never made mistakes never made anything"
Although I'll never get to fly one (first of the newer widebodies I've missed), I'm mightily envious of those that will, and I wish Airbus all the best in their endeavour. Where would aviation be if we didn't at least try (massive costs aside...ahem, Brabazon, anybody?).
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747FOCAL,
the 747 Advanced, is that the one Boeing tried to sell a few years ago and couldn't or what is it?
And what was the problem with the A340 at Singapore Airlines that made them sell them to Boeing as a trade-in for 777s?
If you know how things work in this industry you know that in the end it's the commercial offer which makes the deal.
Ans please, please, stop pretending you're neither A nor B. It gets tiring.
the 747 Advanced, is that the one Boeing tried to sell a few years ago and couldn't or what is it?
And what was the problem with the A340 at Singapore Airlines that made them sell them to Boeing as a trade-in for 777s?
If you know how things work in this industry you know that in the end it's the commercial offer which makes the deal.
Ans please, please, stop pretending you're neither A nor B. It gets tiring.
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SIA cancelled an order for the MD11 because it was late/didn't perform and took some very cheap A340s from AirBus instead, these didn't perform satisfactorily either and were traded for B777s.
Time to start running a book on which airline will invoke a late delivery clause and cancel altogether.
Time to start running a book on which airline will invoke a late delivery clause and cancel altogether.
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"Oh it'll never fly - it's TOO big, you know".
Yeah and the Earth's still flat, isn't it?
FOCAL, the Advanced is a heap of junk, not big enough by far, not economic enough and yet another Boeing paper aeroplane (see 747X and 747-500, Sonic Cruiser, 7J7 et al). A Boeing chappie showed me a very interesting little marketing film poking fun at the A350 where two berks pretending to be Airbus engineering chappies take an A330 and cut the engines off. Then they stick 2 new engines on and wrap it up in masking tape and call it the A350 (have you seen the "Not a problem" movie? That kind of cr@p might work in the U.S. but it sure as hell doesn't translate well in the rest of the world). That did Boeing far more harm than good and just looked like sour grapes. Now it looks like the pot calling the kettle 'cos that's almost all the Advanced is.
Do you HONESTLY believe that the A380 program is going to fall apart because of evac. requirements?
Yeah and the Earth's still flat, isn't it?
FOCAL, the Advanced is a heap of junk, not big enough by far, not economic enough and yet another Boeing paper aeroplane (see 747X and 747-500, Sonic Cruiser, 7J7 et al). A Boeing chappie showed me a very interesting little marketing film poking fun at the A350 where two berks pretending to be Airbus engineering chappies take an A330 and cut the engines off. Then they stick 2 new engines on and wrap it up in masking tape and call it the A350 (have you seen the "Not a problem" movie? That kind of cr@p might work in the U.S. but it sure as hell doesn't translate well in the rest of the world). That did Boeing far more harm than good and just looked like sour grapes. Now it looks like the pot calling the kettle 'cos that's almost all the Advanced is.
Do you HONESTLY believe that the A380 program is going to fall apart because of evac. requirements?
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panda-k-bear,
I agreee with you that the 747 Advanced is most likely a paper airplane, but you never know.
I never said the A380 program would fall apart cause of EVAC problems. I said she is going to make a great package freighter.
El lute,
You really need to get out more if PPRUNE can be "tiring" for you.
I agreee with you that the 747 Advanced is most likely a paper airplane, but you never know.
I never said the A380 program would fall apart cause of EVAC problems. I said she is going to make a great package freighter.
El lute,
You really need to get out more if PPRUNE can be "tiring" for you.
Bear Behind
Now y'see Focal - there was me thinking that the Advanced would make a really good freighter but a lousy passenger ship. It would be interesting to see, don't you think, what would happen if you had to perform a full scale evac of the 747 Advanced... to the current rules, of course. Will it meet the current birdstrike criteria, do you think, or would that be grandfathered... Funny world, isn't it?
Sleep easy in your (business class lie flat) bed tonight knowing full well that the A380 is the new queen of the skies, even if it is a bit of an ugly duckling.
Sleep easy in your (business class lie flat) bed tonight knowing full well that the A380 is the new queen of the skies, even if it is a bit of an ugly duckling.