Qantas safety boast
For some background on flight safety in Australia try this Latitude or Attitude? - Airline Safety in Australia by G. R. Braithwaite, J. P. E. Faulkner, R. E. Caves; follow the archived link to 'Canberra97.pdf'. There is also a very good book of the same title ISBN 07546 17092.
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Blueloo,
* Downwind from 1000' to 200' approx 22 kts
- at touchdown 12 kts
* Not using full flap
* Idle reverse - not aware reverse disengaged
* Aerobridge connected with doors open at time of evacuation
I was aware of the incorrect grease.
QF has a most enviable safety record. I just thought that Bangkok would have made the drivers more aware of the above items.
* Downwind from 1000' to 200' approx 22 kts
- at touchdown 12 kts
* Not using full flap
* Idle reverse - not aware reverse disengaged
* Aerobridge connected with doors open at time of evacuation
I was aware of the incorrect grease.
QF has a most enviable safety record. I just thought that Bangkok would have made the drivers more aware of the above items.
Last edited by Casper; 31st Mar 2005 at 22:07.
I wish to draw your attention to the "dunnunda and Godzone" thread about LAME morale at QF.
It would appear that at the same time QF PR is going on about its safety record, its management appears bent on destroying the culture that made it so...
It would appear that at the same time QF PR is going on about its safety record, its management appears bent on destroying the culture that made it so...
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Golf Charlie Charlie airsafe.com list the rate of fatal events per million flights which is one way to gauge an airlines relative safety.
Speaking as a QF pilot, I do not like it when this gets brought up, particularly by our PR dept. Any airline is one bad landing away from having it's safety record trashed and we all know this.
Speaking as a QF pilot, I do not like it when this gets brought up, particularly by our PR dept. Any airline is one bad landing away from having it's safety record trashed and we all know this.
I respectfully suggest reading a thread about QF Lame morale in the "dunnunda and Godzone reporting points" forum.
It would appear that while QF PR is touting the safety record, QF management is busy undermining the culture that contributed to its safety record as fast as it can.
It would appear that while QF PR is touting the safety record, QF management is busy undermining the culture that contributed to its safety record as fast as it can.
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Just been reading an old book called "Airport International" which mentioned that IATA (I think) frowned upon airlines referring to their safety records in advertising. Have things changed, or are QF's marketeers a tad headstrong?
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Just saw an ad in which Qantas boasts about an "unrivalled saftey record"
It's about time that this "hull loss" BS was put to rest. The aircraft was insured for US$187m and the repair bill was US$96m. It's quite clear that the insurance company would repair the aircraft in this instance rather than payout a huge sum extra to write the hull off.
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Would continue to wish Quantas the best of luck.
Would be a tad leery of bragging about safety records. Its the kind of thing that can change instantly, especially with aircraft flying all over the world.
Aircraft Evacuations have historically been "semi controled pandamonium". Whenever there is a full evac critisism folows by the applicable CAA and procedures / training are enhanced.
An evac without injuries is a pretty rare thing.
Would be a tad leery of bragging about safety records. Its the kind of thing that can change instantly, especially with aircraft flying all over the world.
Aircraft Evacuations have historically been "semi controled pandamonium". Whenever there is a full evac critisism folows by the applicable CAA and procedures / training are enhanced.
An evac without injuries is a pretty rare thing.
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There are numerous airlines out there that have never killed a passanger but have operated more sectors than QF making them safer, if there is such a thing. No, QF is not the "safest" but lets keep the myth alive anyway.
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Are we witnessing the tall poppy syndrome at work here?
For heaven's sake, 28 fatalaties in 80 years, and zero in the jet age is a statistic that most airlines would kill for.
As for the Bangkok B747 that "should have been a hull loss", well, it wasn't lost, they knew exactly where it was.
It was always one of the unspoken ethics of the airline business that one didn't boast of an excellent safety record. Such a public relations / advertising strategy can only come from the marketing department goons, and NOT from the people who made such an enviable record possible, Operations and Engineering.
For heaven's sake, 28 fatalaties in 80 years, and zero in the jet age is a statistic that most airlines would kill for.
As for the Bangkok B747 that "should have been a hull loss", well, it wasn't lost, they knew exactly where it was.
It was always one of the unspoken ethics of the airline business that one didn't boast of an excellent safety record. Such a public relations / advertising strategy can only come from the marketing department goons, and NOT from the people who made such an enviable record possible, Operations and Engineering.
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Ufortunately Old Smokey, as you may know, Qantas is now run by a board of accountants and a CEO with no geuine interest in the company or it's staff, so long as he and his accountants can have impressive figures to show shareholders, and even more impressive pay packets for themselves, whilst the majority of staff get pay cuts. Well, that is most airlines...
Since airlines management have lost ALL perspective of aviation (odd, but true), you see some truly moronic advertising and press statements.
One look at a Jetstar TV commercial here Dunnunda is enough to want you to travel on ANOTHER airline... I particulalry liked the ad where they claimed their pilots were really safe. Kind of like admitting to the existance of a problem, or a perceived problem. Like dobbing yourself in!
Since airlines management have lost ALL perspective of aviation (odd, but true), you see some truly moronic advertising and press statements.
One look at a Jetstar TV commercial here Dunnunda is enough to want you to travel on ANOTHER airline... I particulalry liked the ad where they claimed their pilots were really safe. Kind of like admitting to the existance of a problem, or a perceived problem. Like dobbing yourself in!
