A380 launch etc (Merged)
According to last nights CH4 News, the landing gear, wings and (if RR Trent 900 chosen) engines are all produced in UK therefore almost half of the aircraft is British!!
By "half" I assume they mean half the cost.
By "half" I assume they mean half the cost.
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Shame that Blair is so cocky nowadays that he can't be bothered to make an effort with his speeches. He might think that it is uncool to prepare a speech beforehand and read it, but at least it would have looked as if he had taken an interest in the project. Reminds me of Nixon at the Great Wall of China: 'This sure is a ...... great ...... wall.'
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Can anyone out theer confirm how many airlines have actually placed orders for the big beasty so far.
I saw a number of different channel's new bulletins yesterday and there were gross variations - between 3 (Virgin, Singapore and Emirates) and 14.
I saw a number of different channel's new bulletins yesterday and there were gross variations - between 3 (Virgin, Singapore and Emirates) and 14.
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According to last nights CH4 News, the landing gear, wings and (if RR Trent 900 chosen) engines are all produced in UK therefore almost half of the aircraft is British!! By "half" I assume they mean half the cost.
The A380 customers are:
Air France (10 firm orders/ options)
Emirates Airlines (43/10?)
Etihad (4/?)
Fedex (10/10)
ILFC (10/?)
Korean (5/?))
Lufthansa (15/?)
Malaysian(6/?)
Qantas (12/?) (Launch customer)
Qatar (2/?)
Singapore Airlines (10/15) (Launch customer)
Thai Airways (6/?)
Virgin Atlantic (6/6)
UPS (10/10)
According to last nights CH4 News, the landing gear, wings and (if RR Trent 900 chosen) engines are all produced in UK
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I hope for Boeing's sake (saying that big airliners aren't the future rather people will want medium sized long haul aircraft capable of going into regional airports) they haven't made the same mistake the Americans made when they said that there was no future in jet airliners when we rolled out the Comet.
P. S Although saying that they then launched the 707 and wiped the floor with us!
P. S Although saying that they then launched the 707 and wiped the floor with us!
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What a fuss !
This has really has caused a stir don't you think ?
It is only another piece of flying metal, a different shape and size to many other versions of flying metal designed to do just the same as its' predecessors.
"Joe public" quite frankly would not quite grasp the technological achievements or conduct quite the same "trainspotting" analysis as many who would post on here would incline.
They would also forgive the journalistic inaccuracies reporting such a mind dulling event - after all an aeroplane is only exciting if you are doing something with it (ie flying it) in much the same way that looking at a dinner might inspire one.
In fact, adding a little journalistic spice (accuarate or not) can only add to interest of those who would otherwise quite frankly not give a damn.
Lets be done with the ritual and lets see the thing fly! If it's not too heavy
It is only another piece of flying metal, a different shape and size to many other versions of flying metal designed to do just the same as its' predecessors.
"Joe public" quite frankly would not quite grasp the technological achievements or conduct quite the same "trainspotting" analysis as many who would post on here would incline.
They would also forgive the journalistic inaccuracies reporting such a mind dulling event - after all an aeroplane is only exciting if you are doing something with it (ie flying it) in much the same way that looking at a dinner might inspire one.
In fact, adding a little journalistic spice (accuarate or not) can only add to interest of those who would otherwise quite frankly not give a damn.
Lets be done with the ritual and lets see the thing fly! If it's not too heavy
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Why is Ehtiad getting Serial #2? I thought Emirates were second customer after Singapore (although, why is it that Singapore are getting it first, seeing as Emirates were the first to sign up)?
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Contracts, dear boy, contracts.
"We'll order it but I want it first"
"No I want it first"
You see how it goes on?
As for them getting No.2, I guess it's like the Virgin A340s. Airbus will have it as a test airframe for x months or even years. When they're finished with it, probably a couple of years after they built it, they'll convert it to a full passenger aircraft and flog it off at a discount to Etihad.
"We'll order it but I want it first"
"No I want it first"
You see how it goes on?
As for them getting No.2, I guess it's like the Virgin A340s. Airbus will have it as a test airframe for x months or even years. When they're finished with it, probably a couple of years after they built it, they'll convert it to a full passenger aircraft and flog it off at a discount to Etihad.
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There are good discounts available for having early airframes off the production line, particularly if they're to be used for testing before delivery. However, many airlines don't want the pain of being launch customer, which can mean that commercial considerations for the airline can be secondary to commercial considerations for the manufacturer for a given period after launch.
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To add to Scrogg's post - what Etihad will end up with will probably be a bit of a mongrel as well.... as the test programme goes on, there will be loads of mods and tweaks applied to the production aircraft, and MSN2, whilst it may have some, won't have all of them....
So they get it cheap.... bear in mind that it will have quite a few hours on it as well, plus it will have been pushed nearer the edges of the envelope than is usual.
So they get it cheap.... bear in mind that it will have quite a few hours on it as well, plus it will have been pushed nearer the edges of the envelope than is usual.
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Airbus update on A380
First flight still on for March/April .....
Quote ....
"February 21, 2005
European planemaker Airbus said the development of its A380 superjumbo remained on track and denied problems had been encountered during stress tests on the aircraft ahead of its first flight.
"The preliminary findings indicate we are moving in the right direction," said spokesman David Voskuhl on Monday. "No serious problems have been encountered."
Voskuhl added that Airbus was still aiming for the A380 to have its first flight towards the end of March, although he repeated previous guidance that the date could slip into April.
Germany's Der Spiegel magazine reported this weekend that engineers at Airbus encountered "unexpected and significant difficulties" with the rear end of the plane when tests were carried out on it.
The landing gear was also causing engineers concern, the magazine reported, adding that the A380's first flight could be delayed by weeks.
"We are not aware of the problems that the Spiegel is claiming," Voskuhl said.
The A380, which is the world's biggest civil aircraft and was inaugurated in Toulouse, in France, last month, can seat between 555 and 850 passengers and has a list price of between USD$200 million and USD$250 million."
(Reuters)
Quote ....
"February 21, 2005
European planemaker Airbus said the development of its A380 superjumbo remained on track and denied problems had been encountered during stress tests on the aircraft ahead of its first flight.
"The preliminary findings indicate we are moving in the right direction," said spokesman David Voskuhl on Monday. "No serious problems have been encountered."
Voskuhl added that Airbus was still aiming for the A380 to have its first flight towards the end of March, although he repeated previous guidance that the date could slip into April.
Germany's Der Spiegel magazine reported this weekend that engineers at Airbus encountered "unexpected and significant difficulties" with the rear end of the plane when tests were carried out on it.
The landing gear was also causing engineers concern, the magazine reported, adding that the A380's first flight could be delayed by weeks.
"We are not aware of the problems that the Spiegel is claiming," Voskuhl said.
The A380, which is the world's biggest civil aircraft and was inaugurated in Toulouse, in France, last month, can seat between 555 and 850 passengers and has a list price of between USD$200 million and USD$250 million."
(Reuters)
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Engines on A380 test flight
Anyone know what engines will be fitted to the first A380 that will fly? RR? GE/PW? How is the decision made? Any news on their development? (Isn't the RR one just a bigger Trent family version whereas the US one is completely new?) There's a lot of talk elsewhere about whether the thing will get off the ground or not but for non-power reasons. Do you notice any appreciable difference in a/c performance depending on the engine manufacturer eg on a B777?
So many questions........sorry
So many questions........sorry
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Phoenix son: OK - let me re-phrase. There are a number of negative posts/stories about the A380 on here (wings allegedly bouncing on the ground, problems with landing gear, problems with stress tests cf Hobie's post above), but nothing about engines. Just interested to know which type will be fitted for the test flight, at what stage of development they are, and how the decision on what engines are put on there for the test flight is made. I'm not an aviator, just SLF with an interest. That's why I posted in this forum.
Now, can you give me an answer to any of my questions?
Now, can you give me an answer to any of my questions?