Thomas Cook 757 'Loses wheel on take off'
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I was waiting to depart on Saturday night and would like to say well done to ATC.
They handled the situation tremendously and got everybody down and airborne in a very short time.
Cheers
They handled the situation tremendously and got everybody down and airborne in a very short time.
Cheers
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Well done, indeed. I was in and out of LGW that day. Our landing was delayed just after the A320 (or rather, most of it) got airborne and TWR, APP and DIR all did excellent work. Later on, with ground traffic going all around the houses to get to and from 08L, it didn't help the GMC that his taxyway light control panel seized up on him, and they were all having one of those days that I am sure they were grateful that they train for.
Well done also to the crew of the A320. A potentially very serious situation well handled.
Well done also to the crew of the A320. A potentially very serious situation well handled.
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From Doug E...."My New Year resolution was not to be so pedantic in 2005 but I have to correct the post above: it's Indian Airways that have the A320s with some extra wheels. Oh well, I managed 16 days..."
Well Mr Pedantic, I think you'll find its Indian Airlines with A320's you describe!
....Anyway, back to the topic, good job well done by all!
Well Mr Pedantic, I think you'll find its Indian Airlines with A320's you describe!
....Anyway, back to the topic, good job well done by all!
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I'll tell you what! Going back a bit to Engine overtemps link to the seating plan. Don't fly in seats 1 - 10 D, E and F. They've obviously got even less legroom than the rest of the cattle (sorry) passengers.
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4 bogie gear on A 320
Hi Doug
Maybe it would be better to correct you as I have made no New Years resolution and therefore will be painfully pedantic. There is no airline called Indian airways, however -
It is "Indian Airlines" and they have a number of aircraft with 4 wheel bogie gears. Meant for rough runways. However it seems that it was not necessary as some runway surfaces to which the A 320 operates have improved. As I am currently converting onto this aircraft I find it a very capable aircraft indeed.
Maybe it would be better to correct you as I have made no New Years resolution and therefore will be painfully pedantic. There is no airline called Indian airways, however -
It is "Indian Airlines" and they have a number of aircraft with 4 wheel bogie gears. Meant for rough runways. However it seems that it was not necessary as some runway surfaces to which the A 320 operates have improved. As I am currently converting onto this aircraft I find it a very capable aircraft indeed.
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Just for info; there where five or six A320 modded with bogie main gear in the late eighties/early nineties of an operation called Modiluft (no prizes for guessing where the geld was) I can assure you It's not an Illyshin !!
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Just for info; there where five or six A320 modded with bogie main gear in the late eighties/early nineties of an operation called Modiluft (no prizes for guessing where the geld was) I can assure you It's not an Illyshin !!
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Modiluft never had A320s, they only had 737s.
You are talking about Indian Airlines.
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Modiluft never had A320s, they only had 737s.
You are talking about Indian Airlines.
To be pedantic the Indian Airlines A320's were fitted with a bogie undercarriage by Airbus to enable operations on low strength pavements in India. I understand the tyre pressures are on the low side also.
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I thought we had all looked at this photo link (posted on this thread on 16th Jan) ......
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/749005/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/749005/M/
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When I worked for a certain airline. A main wheel came off a 727 at some point during take off from EMA. No one noticed until it landed and the wheel was never seen again. So if anyone has seen a big wheel anywhere near EMA could they return it please?
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Two pics of the A320 incident are at Gatwick Aviation Society
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Firstly would like to thank the AAIB for quickly exhonourating Thomas Cook engineering department. It turned out to be a bearing failure that caused it to overheat on the take off roll. It got so hot that it actually welded itself to the wheel nut, sheared the locking devices and wound itself off the axle. the wheel is presently undergoing stripdown analysis at Hatfield as a follow up of the AAIB investigations.
As an engineer I would like to pose a question to any A320 pilots, with reference to the QRH under "Landing with abnormal gear config" It states that engines are to be shut down on flare. Why shut down the engines? When this aircraft landed in a text book landing, engines shut down, rat out, hydraulic pressure dropped. As the nosewheel only had one wheel, it castered round to 90deg to the runway as there was no longer any hyd pressure to keep it in line or even steer. The aircraft ended up nearly slewing off the runway. As such a great load was put onto the nose leg after this incident it was recommended by Airbus that the nose leg be changed. This was done and the aircraft was flying again after five days.
Well done to all involved!!!
Not questioning the airmanship of the crew (As in my opinion they did a great job) but why does the QRH say shut down the engines?
As an engineer I would like to pose a question to any A320 pilots, with reference to the QRH under "Landing with abnormal gear config" It states that engines are to be shut down on flare. Why shut down the engines? When this aircraft landed in a text book landing, engines shut down, rat out, hydraulic pressure dropped. As the nosewheel only had one wheel, it castered round to 90deg to the runway as there was no longer any hyd pressure to keep it in line or even steer. The aircraft ended up nearly slewing off the runway. As such a great load was put onto the nose leg after this incident it was recommended by Airbus that the nose leg be changed. This was done and the aircraft was flying again after five days.
Well done to all involved!!!
Not questioning the airmanship of the crew (As in my opinion they did a great job) but why does the QRH say shut down the engines?
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winglit,
My only guess on this would be that if the QRH is designed to handle a "non-standard configuration" landing (i.e. bits missing, therefore difficult to say what the aircraft is likely to do when it gets onto the ground), possibly chopping the engines in the final flare removes one potential source of ignition. That was the idea being thrown around the office here anyway?
PHX
My only guess on this would be that if the QRH is designed to handle a "non-standard configuration" landing (i.e. bits missing, therefore difficult to say what the aircraft is likely to do when it gets onto the ground), possibly chopping the engines in the final flare removes one potential source of ignition. That was the idea being thrown around the office here anyway?
PHX
