Was this legal??
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Was this legal??
I was working in Dub today when I heared an Aer Arann ATR42 had a problem with the rear pax door.
The A/C was ready for push and start but indications in the cockpit read the door was open when it was actually closed.
Engineers were called and the A/C was allowed to go with the warning light on!!
Obviously the captain was o.k with it,is this allowed by law??
The A/C was ready for push and start but indications in the cockpit read the door was open when it was actually closed.
Engineers were called and the A/C was allowed to go with the warning light on!!
Obviously the captain was o.k with it,is this allowed by law??
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You have to check visually either from inside or from outside a green flag on a hole inside the door that confirms that the door is physically closed and secured .
The red alarm on a panel then is considered as a contact or switch U/S .
The red alarm on a panel then is considered as a contact or switch U/S .
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Anything electrical can and will malfunction. On the 737 in this particular case as long as the door is verified closed then dispatch will be allowed, the offending indication will, however, have to be placarded inop.
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What was the point of your post. Did you feel it was your duty to run home to your computer and tell the world that Aer Arann may have broken the law today and that the captain may have departed illeagally...Are we going to see you withdraw the post with an admission that you now know what an MEL is and that the captain was doing his job. I hope so
What was the point of your post. Did you feel it was your duty to run home to your computer and tell the world that Aer Arann may have broken the law today and that the captain may have departed illeagally...Are we going to see you withdraw the post with an admission that you now know what an MEL is and that the captain was doing his job. I hope so
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Well said Pack2, There are hundreds of items in an MEL, and some of them let you go without a landing gear door, or a generator, think about a light that stays on!
And I do believe more than one captain is flying the same airplane in the company. The defect must have been addressed to MX, and taken care of according to proper documentation and procedures, then released to be flown on other routes and by other pilots. Big deal.
Scraglad, I did not see the point of your post either, and would welcome further details about your comments.
And I do believe more than one captain is flying the same airplane in the company. The defect must have been addressed to MX, and taken care of according to proper documentation and procedures, then released to be flown on other routes and by other pilots. Big deal.
Scraglad, I did not see the point of your post either, and would welcome further details about your comments.
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Pack2 and Flexpwr.
What was the point of your posts? Did you feel that you had to run to your computer and put someone down for asking a question???? All except two (three with this one) posts have provided an answer to the original question.
What was the point of your posts? Did you feel that you had to run to your computer and put someone down for asking a question???? All except two (three with this one) posts have provided an answer to the original question.
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well said
speedbird_heavy ,
well said!
I dont know whats wrong with some of you guys but you seem to have a problem with people asking serious questions.
maybe scraglad was jst curious or simply interested in civil aviation procedures.
well said!
I dont know whats wrong with some of you guys but you seem to have a problem with people asking serious questions.
maybe scraglad was jst curious or simply interested in civil aviation procedures.
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Pack2 and FLEXPWR. Do you two get off on being abusive to people? Do your egos need such massaging that you have to kick someone asking, what was to them, a genuine question?
It is people like you that continue to damage the reputation of PPRuNe
It is people like you that continue to damage the reputation of PPRuNe
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This a Spotters forum and as such we are bound to get such questions. Take it in the spirit it was asked. No need for more than that guys. You were young once!
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Ok, guys, got your point.
But it comes so often nowadays that people start with small questions to instigate big rumours that it is not as easy to identify.
The thing is, the way it was asked made it as if the pilots were dummies or outlaws, and questioning right away wether it was lawful or not does not sound too innocent.
Of course we all have questions, but quote:
"Engineers were called and the A/C was allowed to go with the warning light on!!
Obviously the captain was o.k with it,is this allowed by law??"
Sorry, the question, if you do not see it, is wether the "captain" was actually going with breaking the law or not, and I do not think this is a very nice way of presenting the matter.
But it comes so often nowadays that people start with small questions to instigate big rumours that it is not as easy to identify.
The thing is, the way it was asked made it as if the pilots were dummies or outlaws, and questioning right away wether it was lawful or not does not sound too innocent.
Of course we all have questions, but quote:
"Engineers were called and the A/C was allowed to go with the warning light on!!
Obviously the captain was o.k with it,is this allowed by law??"
Sorry, the question, if you do not see it, is wether the "captain" was actually going with breaking the law or not, and I do not think this is a very nice way of presenting the matter.
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Now, if the first post had been
"I was working in Dub today when I heared an Aer Arann ATR42 had a problem with the rear pax door.
The A/C was ready for push and start but indications in the cockpit read the door was open when it was actually closed.
Engineers were called and the A/C was allowed to go with the warning light on........................
I do not know much about aircraft operations and would appreciate someone telling me how you get around this problem."
- would everyone have been happier? Hopefully ´'scraglad' has learnt something about asking questions and Hopefully we can now leave this thread to anyone else who wishes further to explain MEL philosophy to him/her? BTW, I don't think anyone has actually said that 'MEL' means 'Minimum Equipment List' which allows dispatch with certain inoperative items.
It is always difficult to ´divine´the intentions of posters but rest assured your moderators are watching and as PPP says we try to welcome ALL enquiries here! The fact it went to the wrong forum initially and was moved to the correct one (hopefully!) shows that those mods were on watch too.
Happier now, scraglad?
"I was working in Dub today when I heared an Aer Arann ATR42 had a problem with the rear pax door.
The A/C was ready for push and start but indications in the cockpit read the door was open when it was actually closed.
Engineers were called and the A/C was allowed to go with the warning light on........................
I do not know much about aircraft operations and would appreciate someone telling me how you get around this problem."
- would everyone have been happier? Hopefully ´'scraglad' has learnt something about asking questions and Hopefully we can now leave this thread to anyone else who wishes further to explain MEL philosophy to him/her? BTW, I don't think anyone has actually said that 'MEL' means 'Minimum Equipment List' which allows dispatch with certain inoperative items.
It is always difficult to ´divine´the intentions of posters but rest assured your moderators are watching and as PPP says we try to welcome ALL enquiries here! The fact it went to the wrong forum initially and was moved to the correct one (hopefully!) shows that those mods were on watch too.
Happier now, scraglad?
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Happier now, scraglad?
Maybe there should be a new sticky. "How to word questions so as not to upset the sensibilities of highly strung little darlings."
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I stand firmly by my post. I do not beleive this was just a simple question. Scaglad deliberately named the company, cast doubt on the engineers decision to release the aircraft by his exclamation at the end of the sentance and implied that the captain commited some offence by asking if his decission was lawfull.
An innocent question would go something like this.
An incident happened today at Dublin where an aircraft was dispatched with a cockpit warning indicating an unsafe door. How is this possible?
Many of you would then explained the existance of the MEL and how it works.
Aer Arann is a very good airline and its pilots and engineers are as good as any i have seen. Scraglands post brings them into question and that is unfair.
An innocent question would go something like this.
An incident happened today at Dublin where an aircraft was dispatched with a cockpit warning indicating an unsafe door. How is this possible?
Many of you would then explained the existance of the MEL and how it works.
Aer Arann is a very good airline and its pilots and engineers are as good as any i have seen. Scraglands post brings them into question and that is unfair.
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Heavens, our panties are in a bunch today.
The question, as you could probably tell by reading the post, was whether it was legal to leave with a warning light on. The answer is yes, it is legal. No, naming the airline wasn't enourmously discrete, but, as most of the answers here have shown, no laws, rules, or procedures were broken and the aircraft was safe. These are, unfortunately, facts that will be overlooked by most who visit this thread and only read the breathless kneejerk responses left by a few over-sensitive individuals who are incapable of critical thought.
The question, as you could probably tell by reading the post, was whether it was legal to leave with a warning light on. The answer is yes, it is legal. No, naming the airline wasn't enourmously discrete, but, as most of the answers here have shown, no laws, rules, or procedures were broken and the aircraft was safe. These are, unfortunately, facts that will be overlooked by most who visit this thread and only read the breathless kneejerk responses left by a few over-sensitive individuals who are incapable of critical thought.