Is that legal?
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Is that legal?
Please have a look at this picture showing LOT's B767 captain in-flight over the Ocean.
http://www.airfoto.pl/index.php?sub=single&id=9151&pict=lr&empty=yes&clr=yes
In the discussion below the picture one person claims that the practice of covering cockpit window is illegal. Other claim it is done by all pilots around the world. So, is it legal or not?
I'd appreciate your opinions.
http://www.airfoto.pl/index.php?sub=single&id=9151&pict=lr&empty=yes&clr=yes
In the discussion below the picture one person claims that the practice of covering cockpit window is illegal. Other claim it is done by all pilots around the world. So, is it legal or not?
I'd appreciate your opinions.
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Try cutting and pasting the link.
I dont know if it is illegal or not. It means that you cant be keeping an eye out of that part of the window, but it would probably help you see out other windows. It can get really bright up there.
I dont know if it is illegal or not. It means that you cant be keeping an eye out of that part of the window, but it would probably help you see out other windows. It can get really bright up there.
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As one of the posters below the picture pointed out:
Can't really top that myself, I'm afraid 
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Well im sure that LOT will be able to narrow down who the pilot is seen as you get a good picture of him and they cant have many 767 pilots, so if it is against company regulations/illegal then im sure they will drag him through the fire. You might even get a thank you from the pilot if his employers find out(not!!)
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Tarnished- he may well be listening on loudspeaker. It looks like it could be a transatlantic- you don't need 2 listening to HF!
Why not shield from sun if it is too bright? Better to have a headache? As pointed out- aeroplanes fly through cloud- can they be made to keep clear to ensure adequate lookout?
Perhaps a little less uninformed criticism and a bit more understanding of the difficulties that can occur to crew (as in sitting with the sun in the same place for 10 or more hours).
Why not shield from sun if it is too bright? Better to have a headache? As pointed out- aeroplanes fly through cloud- can they be made to keep clear to ensure adequate lookout?
Perhaps a little less uninformed criticism and a bit more understanding of the difficulties that can occur to crew (as in sitting with the sun in the same place for 10 or more hours).
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Tarnished- he may well be listening on loudspeaker. It looks like it could be a transatlantic- you don't need 2 listening to HF!
and that's why we have SELCAL. Or maybe the aircraft even has datalink 
I think this post is in the right Forum ... some are spotters giving their opinion on operational matters
D'you know, I've never been in "Spotters" before...
No-one seems to have pointed out that if that's the window where the sun is - the glare will stop you seeing anything anyway, so there's no point looking into it!
411A I hope your ERCs were in date..
No-one seems to have pointed out that if that's the window where the sun is - the glare will stop you seeing anything anyway, so there's no point looking into it!
411A I hope your ERCs were in date..
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Spanair have been doing that for years. Every MD-83 I ever saw had the daily paper or a saftey card stuck in the window.
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I agree, tarnished replied to one of my questions and it didn't make sense. The flying guys want real answers here not some pretend made up "flightsimmers" ideas.
It is perfectly legal to cover the windshields I often do it in our intolerable african sun. And even C172's have loudspeakers that allow you to keep perfect coms.
There you go forum closed
It is perfectly legal to cover the windshields I often do it in our intolerable african sun. And even C172's have loudspeakers that allow you to keep perfect coms.
There you go forum closed
Was going to let this go, but had a couple of Jacks so here goes.
There has been a load of tosh spouted above.
The question was "is it legal?"
Surely the point is not whether or not some nerd in the rule department has published a rule about this but whether the professional aviators believe this is a sensible thing to be doing.
My comment about the headset has distracted from my point of concern: legal or not is it a sensible thing to be forced into doing.
Is it poor design not to include adequate sun filtering?
Could wearing sun glasses alleviate some of the problem?
In VMC (albeit probably IFR) is reducing your limited field of view a good thing to be doing?
If you fly IFR (in VMC) does that absolve you of all lookout responsibilities?
Why not have bone domes, liquid conditioning vests and adequate re-hydration delivered by the CSD?
Try sitting under a green house canopy like the F-15 for 6 hours plus and see how hot it gets, not to mention trying to pee in a bag while strapped to a bang seat.
Sorry, but I think its incredibly bad practice to obscure your field of view.
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There has been a load of tosh spouted above.
The question was "is it legal?"
Surely the point is not whether or not some nerd in the rule department has published a rule about this but whether the professional aviators believe this is a sensible thing to be doing.
My comment about the headset has distracted from my point of concern: legal or not is it a sensible thing to be forced into doing.
Is it poor design not to include adequate sun filtering?
Could wearing sun glasses alleviate some of the problem?
In VMC (albeit probably IFR) is reducing your limited field of view a good thing to be doing?
If you fly IFR (in VMC) does that absolve you of all lookout responsibilities?
Why not have bone domes, liquid conditioning vests and adequate re-hydration delivered by the CSD?
Try sitting under a green house canopy like the F-15 for 6 hours plus and see how hot it gets, not to mention trying to pee in a bag while strapped to a bang seat.
Sorry, but I think its incredibly bad practice to obscure your field of view.
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OK, so the answer is..........'it is not illegal'.
If the next question is ......'is it incredibly bad practice to obscure your field of view?', the answer is......'no'.
I'm sure we all sympathise with the problems of flying an F16 vis a vis toilet functions, but they are not really relevant wrt MD-80 operations.
If the next question is ......'is it incredibly bad practice to obscure your field of view?', the answer is......'no'.
I'm sure we all sympathise with the problems of flying an F16 vis a vis toilet functions, but they are not really relevant wrt MD-80 operations.
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Why are you getting wound up? What do you expect from a forum. Sometimes to us 'what has been flying towards the sun for years' we do things like that. In DC10's it was 'normal' to stuff a bundle of tissues in the cracks so that in a descent the condensation didn't soak you. The same with a shield - of ANY sort - to stop you have glare - which can be quite severe. Anyway, you will get all kinds of answers - some of which are humorous - take it as it comes.
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You are the same. But your profile with a PPL is a mix of aircraft that is hard to swallow. Perhaps you were in the air force perhaps you are a sim 'pilot' but I/we would assume that you are aware, if you know about these things.
You make some strange suggestions:
That one is of course quite ludicrous. It would spoil the hairdo!
Really! Are you saying that it is necessary to hold a bag while you are flying? Please phrase your answer won't you.
You really think that that one shield obscures ALL the view? Now I am worried about you.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt but I REALLY need convincing.
Why are you getting wound up? What do you expect from a forum. Sometimes to us 'what has been flying towards the sun for years' we do things like that. In DC10's it was 'normal' to stuff a bundle of tissues in the cracks so that in a descent the condensation didn't soak you. The same with a shield - of ANY sort - to stop you have glare - which can be quite severe. Anyway, you will get all kinds of answers - some of which are humorous - take it as it comes.
Tarnished.
You are the same. But your profile with a PPL is a mix of aircraft that is hard to swallow. Perhaps you were in the air force perhaps you are a sim 'pilot' but I/we would assume that you are aware, if you know about these things.
You make some strange suggestions:
Why not have bone domes, liquid conditioning vests and adequate re-hydration delivered by the CSD?
Try sitting under a green house canopy like the F-15 for 6 hours plus and see how hot it gets, not to mention trying to pee in a bag while strapped to a bang seat.
Sorry, but I think its incredibly bad practice to obscure your field of view.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt but I REALLY need convincing.
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PPRUNE POP, Sorry , I don't quite catch what you're saying (damn another blond moment!)my bad 
I'll unwind sorry. But you have to agree tarnished gives some strange answers. I just think it blocks up the forum with irrelevant info.
My stance is that it is perfectly A OK to block the window even when flying VFR but under certain conditions.
In certain airspaces where it is the responsability of the pilots to report their positions and keep a look out for others it can be dangerous. This is especially because a lot of GA pilots don't use the radio properly and take advantage of these airspaces (class D I think) some may be flying from illegal airstrips and don't talk at all !!
However whilst in a controlled enviroment ie in a circuit controlled by ATC or while flying in airspace where you are monitored by radar and informed of other traffic it is perfectly fine. There is no apparent risk because if you were IFR you would have to trust that information anyway (and do trust it) so why not trust it in VFR ?
Anyway back to the unwinding....... you obviously see I have a stress problem so please feel free to contribute to my beer fund
I'll unwind sorry. But you have to agree tarnished gives some strange answers. I just think it blocks up the forum with irrelevant info.
My stance is that it is perfectly A OK to block the window even when flying VFR but under certain conditions.
In certain airspaces where it is the responsability of the pilots to report their positions and keep a look out for others it can be dangerous. This is especially because a lot of GA pilots don't use the radio properly and take advantage of these airspaces (class D I think) some may be flying from illegal airstrips and don't talk at all !!
However whilst in a controlled enviroment ie in a circuit controlled by ATC or while flying in airspace where you are monitored by radar and informed of other traffic it is perfectly fine. There is no apparent risk because if you were IFR you would have to trust that information anyway (and do trust it) so why not trust it in VFR ?
Anyway back to the unwinding....... you obviously see I have a stress problem so please feel free to contribute to my beer fund