Farnborough 2004
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Is everyone determined to misintepret my thoughts?
I am NOT anti public. I work in a senior position for an airline, and I am FULLY aware who pays the salary and fuel bills.
However - just because the public pay for our industry does not mean that we should invite them to everything - our board meetings and trade events being two of them to which we need some time to talk.
My point about specific need was related to the difficulties in getting tickets from the trade this year - a lot of business does get done over a lunch and a glass of plonk you know! I think a reread of my previous posts will elucidate....
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I am NOT anti public. I work in a senior position for an airline, and I am FULLY aware who pays the salary and fuel bills.
However - just because the public pay for our industry does not mean that we should invite them to everything - our board meetings and trade events being two of them to which we need some time to talk.
My point about specific need was related to the difficulties in getting tickets from the trade this year - a lot of business does get done over a lunch and a glass of plonk you know! I think a reread of my previous posts will elucidate....
TA
Was at Farnborough on Sunday with wife and kids and had a good day out. The weather held up (just!) and for £25 each I think what was available for view was OK. Granted some of the exhibitors had been and gone and bits of the flying were disappointing (one pass by the B52, was it worth it?) but that was more than made up for by everything else. The USAF staff wanted to talk all day and were very patient with every question my son could throw at them and as said on other posts the F18 was excellent.
I don't think you can compare the shows of today and those of the fifties and sixties. Times (and financial constraints) have changed. We don't have an aviation industry that leads the world anymore and it is becoming more difficult, even every two years, to show new aircraft doing new things. Hopefully Farnborough as a show can survive and not disappear like so much of our aviation heritage.
I don't think you can compare the shows of today and those of the fifties and sixties. Times (and financial constraints) have changed. We don't have an aviation industry that leads the world anymore and it is becoming more difficult, even every two years, to show new aircraft doing new things. Hopefully Farnborough as a show can survive and not disappear like so much of our aviation heritage.
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That reminded me surely not, I was hoping to get a pic of that formation. That really was spectacular. And the guy who was at the Airbus stand, thanks for the T-shirt!
That reminded me surely not, I was hoping to get a pic of that formation. That really was spectacular. And the guy who was at the Airbus stand, thanks for the T-shirt!
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My apologies if I have misunderstood your meaning. My understanding is to get in Monday to Thursday you needed trade tickets. If there were non-aerospace affiliated people there on those days then they must have got tickets from somewhere. Possibly from companies who are less scrupulous about who gets tickets.
I work for a large aerospace company and I couldn't get trade day tickets. What I could get was an enthusiast ticket for Friday only. I believe only 1800 were on offer.
Anyway I'm off to find a job selling aeroplanes so I can get a trade day ticket in 2006.
JT
My apologies if I have misunderstood your meaning. My understanding is to get in Monday to Thursday you needed trade tickets. If there were non-aerospace affiliated people there on those days then they must have got tickets from somewhere. Possibly from companies who are less scrupulous about who gets tickets.
I work for a large aerospace company and I couldn't get trade day tickets. What I could get was an enthusiast ticket for Friday only. I believe only 1800 were on offer.
Anyway I'm off to find a job selling aeroplanes so I can get a trade day ticket in 2006.
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TwinAisle and Jimmy Tap.
As l understand it you can get in on the trade days by paying at the door.
I am told you only need company ID, however someone from work did go on the Tuesday, paid his money and in he went.
He did say however he was not asked for his ID.
Hope this helps?
As l understand it you can get in on the trade days by paying at the door.
I am told you only need company ID, however someone from work did go on the Tuesday, paid his money and in he went.
He did say however he was not asked for his ID.
Hope this helps?
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You gotta laugh at this..... you build the world's most advanced airliner, cover it with tarty slogans, and then get the grammar wrong, leave the door open and make a laffing stock of yourself....
I was always taught FURTHER... not FARTHER...
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I was always taught FURTHER... not FARTHER...
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I spent from Sunday 18th July to Sunday 25th July inclusive working the show representing the aerospace division of a 250,000 employee company. Apart from being absolutely knackered and sick of the sight of our stand at the end of it I can offer the following comments.
Our stand was very, very expensive the floor space alone cost £400 per square metre we had £23,000's worth. We were "allowed" 8 exhibitors passes but needed 10. We were allocated no trade day passes to invite customers, we were permitted to buy as many as we wished at £21.00 (from memory) a shot. Returning unused trade day passes for a refund was not an option.
We will not exhibit in 2006.
Public could and did gain access on all trade days all you had to show was a business card (no scrutiny) at the gate and pay the cash in yer go!
Everything inside was a rip off and of poor quality (except in the chalets of course
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Parking was a nightmare as previously mentioned.
Can't comment much on trade day flying as was busy but thought the weekend excellent.
The real problem for exhibitors is the length of the show, five days of trade is too long it ties up a lot of resource and companies simply cannot afford to lose people for this long. At the show most agreed 3 days would be ample and this was the main reason the show was "dead" on Thursday and Friday. People travelling from other parts of the globe do not want to hang around for the public days unless they are relevant in the public domain. Who wants to buy a moving walkway or a titanium fastener on a Saturday or Sunday?
Even the SBAC staff I spoke to at a function on Friday said they believed Farnborough 2006 would be the last - tis a real shame. I thoroughly enjoyed 2000 and 2002 but the same old "make money at all costs" seems to have clouded some of the organisors vision.
Le Bourget is tops!!!!
Our stand was very, very expensive the floor space alone cost £400 per square metre we had £23,000's worth. We were "allowed" 8 exhibitors passes but needed 10. We were allocated no trade day passes to invite customers, we were permitted to buy as many as we wished at £21.00 (from memory) a shot. Returning unused trade day passes for a refund was not an option.
We will not exhibit in 2006.
Public could and did gain access on all trade days all you had to show was a business card (no scrutiny) at the gate and pay the cash in yer go!
Everything inside was a rip off and of poor quality (except in the chalets of course
)Parking was a nightmare as previously mentioned.
Can't comment much on trade day flying as was busy but thought the weekend excellent.
The real problem for exhibitors is the length of the show, five days of trade is too long it ties up a lot of resource and companies simply cannot afford to lose people for this long. At the show most agreed 3 days would be ample and this was the main reason the show was "dead" on Thursday and Friday. People travelling from other parts of the globe do not want to hang around for the public days unless they are relevant in the public domain. Who wants to buy a moving walkway or a titanium fastener on a Saturday or Sunday?
Even the SBAC staff I spoke to at a function on Friday said they believed Farnborough 2006 would be the last - tis a real shame. I thoroughly enjoyed 2000 and 2002 but the same old "make money at all costs" seems to have clouded some of the organisors vision.
Le Bourget is tops!!!!
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My first post so be gentle.!!!
I live in Farnborough and always take the two weeks off work, not that it seems worth it any more.
Trade tickets are now very easy to get. Until two years ago you really did have to be trade now anybody with some brains can order them from the SBAC website with no checks, its that easy.
From an spotters point of view the Monday/Tuesday trade days are a must now as so many of the bizjets depart midweek. I visited on Monday,Tuesday and Wednesday this year through extra tickets from my other half who works for BAE and there were plenty of spotters. Personally I have no problem with it and it seem neither does the SBAC. Spotters generally stay away from the halls so do not interfear with business. My guess that pre display times those walking the outside areas were 20% spotters and 30% freebies. If you all remember the Friday was always 'public premium day' until the late 80s'.
The show is fading away and does not seem to attract many large companys. My guess is that it will go to three/four days with no flying display, just demos.
I live in Farnborough and always take the two weeks off work, not that it seems worth it any more.
Trade tickets are now very easy to get. Until two years ago you really did have to be trade now anybody with some brains can order them from the SBAC website with no checks, its that easy.
From an spotters point of view the Monday/Tuesday trade days are a must now as so many of the bizjets depart midweek. I visited on Monday,Tuesday and Wednesday this year through extra tickets from my other half who works for BAE and there were plenty of spotters. Personally I have no problem with it and it seem neither does the SBAC. Spotters generally stay away from the halls so do not interfear with business. My guess that pre display times those walking the outside areas were 20% spotters and 30% freebies. If you all remember the Friday was always 'public premium day' until the late 80s'.
The show is fading away and does not seem to attract many large companys. My guess is that it will go to three/four days with no flying display, just demos.
