cessna l plate

OK Guys.
I don't know about you, but I am sick of reading "XYZ go around at ZZZ" threads, along with todays helping of "747 hits an air jetty" (Who cares, apart from the geezer that has to repair the bridge?)

Now, before we begin to assasinate poor Cessna L Plate, please, I am but a humble student pilot, and not in the same spehere of the aviation world as most of the guys reading this. But I AM FED UP of these threads.
So..........
I believe that they are generated from one of two sources.

1. Interested Enthusiasts.
Please folks, as has been said a million times before, a go around is a normal operational procedure, I practise them as part of my general training, as do all other pilots, no matter what they fly! Should you require any further insight into this situaton, please go and puchase a copy of Trevor Thom volume 1 and read up on it!

2. Fleet Streets Finest (Ha ha)
I do beleive that the majority of these post come from journos attempting to put together a "jet in near miss horror" story. Get it into your heads, this is a routine occurence, and is not out of the ordinary. If the pilot was to continue an approach when a go around is needed, then this would be newsworthy, which is why we go around. Secondly, have you considered that what you are asking is a group of industry professionals to sensationalse what they do and pass comment on thier peers? It's a bit like asking a journalist to explain the headlines in the Sunday Sport!! It just goes to show how mis-informed and ridiculous some journos are!!

Now, can we please stop wasting bandwith on these pointless threads? Thank You
I'll go and crawl back under my stone now!

mini

Cessna,

I'm still not sure what in me decided to answer your post.

1) I dont believe that there are so many Journo's on this forum that want a juicy story regarding a GA. They will write whatever gets them space.

2) from a drivers perspective it seems these are is a standard response to whatever, its just done.

3) Keep the head level

mini

BRUpax

You forget the many young plane spotters that have invaded this site. I don't think many have yet realised that Danny has set up their own forum. By the way, yesterday, in my vehicle, my approach to exit 15 on the E314 was not stablised and I had to go around - to exit 16. No one must have seen it because I can't find any thread on it.

amanoffewwords

Funny how the ones that complain always show as "just another number" or similar.

chiglet

[Very] Many years ago, a BAC111 went around at Brum, from rw/15 [City to airport ]. Before the beggar had started his downwind leg of his [now] vis app, the local rag was on the blower asking the usuall crud......
watp,iktch

The African Dude

Although Cessna might have come across as angry I think the essence of what he's saying is fair enough.

As long as the threads are kept to the Spotter's Corner ...
As for journo's.. well they will always write what they wish, regardless.

My 2d's worth.
Andy

BUENOSAIRES

TODAY I WENT FOR MY BA INTERVIEW, AND GUESS WHAT, I GOT LOST AND I BEEN GOING AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT IN BATH ROAD BECAUSE I COULDNT FIND CRANEBANK. iTS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT??????
REMEMBER EVERYBOY HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK AND SAY WHATEVER THEY LIKE THATS WHY WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY.
RESPECT THE OTHERS IF YOU WANT TO BE RESPECTED!

Jerricho

This is starting again elsewhere regarding a 747 gound incident at LHR.

I can fully understand peoples frustration and annoyance at these sort of posts. Look at the initial post of that thread. It doesn't even attempt to start a discussion. It maybe a statement of fact, there is no denying that. But when you see posts like this and the similar "I saw a go around at XYZ airport", eyebrows can be raised. Sure it's a rumour network. While were all can be a little inquisitive, I'm sure a great deal of these post are simply a fishing expedition to see if anybody involved (or not involved but want to make it up) will be prepared to say "Yeah, there was a f*ck up and here's happened!!".

I know I get p*ssed off cause I have been burnt by these sort of fishing trips. I happened across a news report one day about a go-around incident at LHR. The way the paper reported it, it sounded like one of the most dangerous situations ever seen at the airport. The truth.............a regular ATC initiated go-around because a biz-jet pilot missed his exit off the runway and rolled longer, which caused the following heavy to go around. How did I know? I was controlling when it happened. There was a thread on here about it as well, and it almost seemed one or two posters were almost disapointed there wasn't more to it! Human nature.............sure is. Annoying, yup, that too.

DanAir1-11

I think curiosity is an integral part of the human psyche. However must agree that there seem to be more than a few of these posts, although I have to confess to being included a while back!

On an similar note, MANY years ago was on short finals to 06 Ringway (Manchester International) and were politely advised
at the last possible minute to execute a GA due to debris.

Now as you would be aware you can't exactly tip-toe anything that has Speys attached, and being rwy 06 you cross Cheadle ?? Road immediately prior to the hard stuff. This particular day one of the local TV mobs were doing a docco on the affect of people living in close proximity to airports and associated effects. Of course a 1-11 at full noise right over their cameras was the things dreams are made of for journo's and needless to say we has a fairly
adventurous time of it once we got onto the concourse! No big deal was made of it in the end but I imagine if the same thing happened today ! ! ! -

slamer

Ummmm...........Dont read them!!!!

Codman

Slamer - Quite agree, ignore them. And if you do succumb to your inquisitive instincts please dont warble on and on about how it was 'a professional doing his/her job'. Those that do it sound pompous.

However, where is XYZ? Sounds like a devil of a place to get into.

wbryce

A free country ?? Tell that to the tax payers!

Jerricho

Just hang on a second Codman. You may not seem to care when you see a fellow aviation persons actions being questioned.............perhaps even yourself. But there are those here that do. Perhaps the way it's gone about isn't the most congenial, but when you consider the passion that many in the industry have for their jobs, some of the backlashes and statements are more than a little understandable.

PPRuNe Pop

This particular subject has been a bone of contention on PPRuNe for years, and while it is acceptable the childish little rants from one or two of you are not.

Keep a debate going, not personal gripes against whoever you choose.

Do it! You will feel better.

Codman

Jerricho - Commercial aviation and those employed within it being maligned in the press is of great concern to me. An incident I was involved in a few years ago was blown out all proportion, it read like a completely different event.

Unfortunately, answering a regretably repetitive question with 'it was a professional doing his job' (as I've seen a number of times on PPRUNE) is in my view flippant and pompous. To normal members of the public ours is a black art and that answer lends nothing to their education. Whats more, on many ocassions the GA is a result of an error (commited in the air or on the ground) and people be they enthusiasts, passengers or journalists will show an interest. Demonstrating that degree of arrogance and contempt damages the image of aviation arguably as much as any half baked local newspaper story. If reading threads regarding Go Arounds encourages individuals to respond my only wish is that they do so in an informed manner. If it is a member of the press, he'll print exactly what he wants anyway.

Farrell

Sigh!........this is pathetic!

Anyone looking in on this place at the moment is being given a great impression of pilots, non-pilots, students, wannabees etc....

Sometimes it's best to just do something else like:

Study....

Fly....

Read a book....

or just have a guava..... Jesus, most of you have too much time on your hands!

Give it a rest!

Rant over

Kalium Chloride

Cessna, as a (very hard-)working journo, I get more than a little p*ssed off with the frequent sweeping, uninformed bull that's written about journalists in general on this website - often in the same sensationalist terms which are then hypocritically derided in the same breath and without any sense of irony.

Just to reassure you that a lot of the journos I know - those who are worthy of the profession - have given up wasting their time finding leads on PPRuNe because they're fed up with having to wade through the mountains of crud which disguise the stories and issues which people, particularly pilots, would genuinely like to see explored in the press.

PPRuNe ain't what it used to be, I'm afraid...

Captain Airclues

In a post by PPT, in response to the "Wait until the report is published" brigade, he explained that PPRuNe is rather like an electronic version of crewroom or pub chat. Surely, so long as it is placed in the correct forum, then anything that is of interest to aviators or enthusiasts is acceptable?
Although we train for go-arounds, they are relatively unusual, and are caused by a variety of reasons. If I had just had to go-around, I would fully expect to be asked the reason by passengers, cabin crew, engineers and flight management. I would be happy to explain the reason, and would not reply "It is something that I'm trained for so mind your own business".
Perhaps a little more tolerance is required by the 'professionals', particularly on this forum?

Airclues

PS. Did anyone see the go-aroung by the Emerates A330 at Lagos on 9/4?

PPRuNe Pop

Well said CA.

Ah Kalium Chloride, you mean we have actually won? Come on, I don't believe a word of what you are saying. We know better than anyone that you troll through the "crud" endlessly to find a snippet that might lead to a story. What we often object to though is mis-representation and so-called journo licence. But then again it damages you more than us.

The talent present on these forums is priceless. Where else would you find so many who are at the leading edge of aviation. The best leg to pull is the right one - it's wooden!

Kalium Chloride

I pretty much object to being misrepresented too. Doesn't stop plenty of ill-informed people on this forum from doing it, though.


Airclues: It's comments like yours which help restore my faith. Hear, hear, sir.