JAA Licencing
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JAA Licencing
OK, I certainly need some help navigating the rules on JAA licencing.
If you hold an ATPL (restricted or non-restricted) from a member state (national licence) does that qualify you to hold/apply for a JAA licence? What are the requirments to hold the JAA?
My example: Completed the written tests to convert to an Austrian licence 4 years ago. At that time a flight test was not required in Austria. But, being the dummy I am, I didn't fork over the $500 fee deciding to wait instead. They then changed the requirement to require a flight test. So I plan to complete that this spring--if Austro Control ever gets back to me.
AustroCOntrol can be difficult to get info out of as well.
Having a type rating and left seat time on jet (80 000Kg) what will I require to complete the JAA licence (or the Austrian one if anyone has that info!!!))
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If you hold an ATPL (restricted or non-restricted) from a member state (national licence) does that qualify you to hold/apply for a JAA licence? What are the requirments to hold the JAA?
My example: Completed the written tests to convert to an Austrian licence 4 years ago. At that time a flight test was not required in Austria. But, being the dummy I am, I didn't fork over the $500 fee deciding to wait instead. They then changed the requirement to require a flight test. So I plan to complete that this spring--if Austro Control ever gets back to me.
AustroCOntrol can be difficult to get info out of as well.
Having a type rating and left seat time on jet (80 000Kg) what will I require to complete the JAA licence (or the Austrian one if anyone has that info!!!))
Cheers
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Thanks for the response.
I have sifted through the document you posted but some areas are vague--at least to me.
For example:
Is a British or Austrian licence considered a JAA licence? Or, is a JAA licence a seperate document issued by the JAA authority? Conversly, do member states still issue their own licences which are then considered JAA licences?
As another example, if I moved to, lets say Italy, and converted a foreign licence to an Italian one would they issue an Italian licence or a JAA licence and, if it was an Italian licence, is taht then considered a JAA licence for the purposes of being hired by a company that requests a JAA licence.
I understand that for those working within the JAA environement that these are simple questions, but for an outsider it can be somewhat confusing.
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I have sifted through the document you posted but some areas are vague--at least to me.
For example:
Is a British or Austrian licence considered a JAA licence? Or, is a JAA licence a seperate document issued by the JAA authority? Conversly, do member states still issue their own licences which are then considered JAA licences?
As another example, if I moved to, lets say Italy, and converted a foreign licence to an Italian one would they issue an Italian licence or a JAA licence and, if it was an Italian licence, is taht then considered a JAA licence for the purposes of being hired by a company that requests a JAA licence.
I understand that for those working within the JAA environement that these are simple questions, but for an outsider it can be somewhat confusing.
Cheers
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A UK licence as issued by the UK CAA can be changed to a JAR lic as issued by the UK CAA. UK is a member of JAA. However, it must comply with all the JAR requirements.
Note, apart from a certain PPL, a UK ATPL issued on the strength of an ICAO ATPL with only 2 exams sat and a check ride cannot be converted to a JAR ATPL (at this time) unless all 14 JAR exams are passed.
(ie, Australian ATPL, +1500 hours in command (LHS) in 737's, +3000 hours TT can be granted a UK ATPL after 2 exams. Air law and HPL. This I believe, cannot be changed to a JAR one) I am afraid I can't find the reference at the moment. I am having trouble with the CAA's LASOR pdf files.
Note, apart from a certain PPL, a UK ATPL issued on the strength of an ICAO ATPL with only 2 exams sat and a check ride cannot be converted to a JAR ATPL (at this time) unless all 14 JAR exams are passed.
(ie, Australian ATPL, +1500 hours in command (LHS) in 737's, +3000 hours TT can be granted a UK ATPL after 2 exams. Air law and HPL. This I believe, cannot be changed to a JAR one) I am afraid I can't find the reference at the moment. I am having trouble with the CAA's LASOR pdf files.
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That clears it up perfectly. Thanks for that..it actually makes sense now
So now all I have to do is figure out if the exams plus flight test in Austria that I did are 'based upon' or the complete requirement. I have a feeling they are 'based upon'.
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So now all I have to do is figure out if the exams plus flight test in Austria that I did are 'based upon' or the complete requirement. I have a feeling they are 'based upon'.
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Trader,
Austria is a JAA member state, but they have not as yet put the JAR-FCL into law... that means, at the moment you cannot receive a JAA licence in Austria! Supposed to happen sometime this year, I think, though I heard rumours that they weren't going to introduce it at all! Better check with them directly or ask around at some of their schools.... they should know more!
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Austria is a JAA member state, but they have not as yet put the JAR-FCL into law... that means, at the moment you cannot receive a JAA licence in Austria! Supposed to happen sometime this year, I think, though I heard rumours that they weren't going to introduce it at all! Better check with them directly or ask around at some of their schools.... they should know more!
Westy
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Diesel,
You can only do this if you have +1500 hours in command of a +30 tonne aircraft in primarily international or similar operations. You must also have +3000 hours total time.
The UK CAA LASORS have the details.
You can only do this if you have +1500 hours in command of a +30 tonne aircraft in primarily international or similar operations. You must also have +3000 hours total time.
The UK CAA LASORS have the details.
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So, provided I can get the CAA to approve my hours, by following the below requirements, I can obtain a UK ATPL, but it will be restricted for use on UK reg. aircraft.
f you are very experienced you should you should apply to the CAA for a formal assessment using FCL form 680, obtainable here.
The qualifying criteria are
more than 3000 hours total time on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
more than 1500 hours pilot in command on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
Type rated on an aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
More than 500 hours total time on the aircraft above
Able to complete a flight test on the same aircraft
When you have completed it you need to send it or take it to the CAA with original licences and log books. The CAA will tell you that you need to pass two written exams, Human Performance and Aviation Law, and pass a flight test on the aircraft you are rated on. The flight test is referred to as a skills test, it is part handling check and part IR renewal check.
f you are very experienced you should you should apply to the CAA for a formal assessment using FCL form 680, obtainable here.
The qualifying criteria are
more than 3000 hours total time on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
more than 1500 hours pilot in command on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
Type rated on an aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
More than 500 hours total time on the aircraft above
Able to complete a flight test on the same aircraft
When you have completed it you need to send it or take it to the CAA with original licences and log books. The CAA will tell you that you need to pass two written exams, Human Performance and Aviation Law, and pass a flight test on the aircraft you are rated on. The flight test is referred to as a skills test, it is part handling check and part IR renewal check.
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Engine overtemp,
Let me put it this way. I do not think you have take any more writtens, than vice versa. Further, as far as I know, there is not a requirement, to take the flight test in an a/c you have to be typed in. In other words, provided you took the test in a Seneca, or something similar, you would be issued an ATP. Of course, if you wanted a typerating, you would probably have to take a test in what you wanted to be typed in. As I am sure you know, the cutoff for types in the US is 12.500lbs.
If you did not have 3000 hrs, which is the CAA cutoff, I still do not think, the FAA would require 14 written test.
However, I simply asked a question, hopefully, this wil not degenerate into the typical CAA-FAA debate.
Let me put it this way. I do not think you have take any more writtens, than vice versa. Further, as far as I know, there is not a requirement, to take the flight test in an a/c you have to be typed in. In other words, provided you took the test in a Seneca, or something similar, you would be issued an ATP. Of course, if you wanted a typerating, you would probably have to take a test in what you wanted to be typed in. As I am sure you know, the cutoff for types in the US is 12.500lbs.
If you did not have 3000 hrs, which is the CAA cutoff, I still do not think, the FAA would require 14 written test.
However, I simply asked a question, hopefully, this wil not degenerate into the typical CAA-FAA debate.
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Well by the way i've got a question!
I have a canadian valid ATPL + more than 3000 hrs of flight including 500h two crew ops + 14 JAA CAA ATPL(A) certificates!With BE-10 type rating (11 800 lbs MTOW)
All I'd need to get my JAA UK ATPL is officialy a JAR-25 type rating under CAA survey. Now by the way here's my existential question....
How could i get an appointment to try and be selected in a company requiring the JAA ATPL licence while i do not have any JAA licence but would be fully ATPL rated once i'd be checked on JAR-25 flight test?
Thanks for any answer
I have a canadian valid ATPL + more than 3000 hrs of flight including 500h two crew ops + 14 JAA CAA ATPL(A) certificates!With BE-10 type rating (11 800 lbs MTOW)
All I'd need to get my JAA UK ATPL is officialy a JAR-25 type rating under CAA survey. Now by the way here's my existential question....
How could i get an appointment to try and be selected in a company requiring the JAA ATPL licence while i do not have any JAA licence but would be fully ATPL rated once i'd be checked on JAR-25 flight test?
Thanks for any answer
