Easy's first A319
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Ok, people keep saying that these Easy A319s have 156 seats onboard, but the easyJet website says that the A319 only have 150 seats (one more than the 737-700, gained but having a full row of seats by the overwing exits - whereas on the 737-700s they have 1 row of just 5 seats)!!
Ok, so my question is ... are we sure that the easy A319s have 156 seats, and its not just a case of their being rows 1 - 26 but no row number 13 (unlucky number) so infact there are only 150 seats?
Ok, so my question is ... are we sure that the easy A319s have 156 seats, and its not just a case of their being rows 1 - 26 but no row number 13 (unlucky number) so infact there are only 150 seats?
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'Under current JAA/CAA rules it is 1 CC per 50 seats - whether or not there are bums on them.'
Does this mean you need CC to position an empty aircraft? As a freight dog I don't know about such things.
Does this mean you need CC to position an empty aircraft? As a freight dog I don't know about such things.
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On the 3rd, the A319 made a flight with EZ employee over Wales and Bristol. The Captain made some brilliant demo of the fly-by-wire capability and half of the passenger were nearly sick or at least nauseous.
According to EZ, the A319 made a flyover the runway in LTN at 100 feet, before going around. Remind you something ?...
Last time an Airbus made this sort of demo, it's end up in the wood in France.
I thought we would learn from that. Are EZ pilots are trained for this sort of demo ?
According to EZ, the A319 made a flyover the runway in LTN at 100 feet, before going around. Remind you something ?...
Last time an Airbus made this sort of demo, it's end up in the wood in France.
I thought we would learn from that. Are EZ pilots are trained for this sort of demo ?
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"Last time an Airbus made this sort of demo, it's end up in the wood in France. I thought we would learn from that. Are EZ pilots are trained for this sort of demo ?"
I think you'll find that was a long time ago, in the early days of the Airbus, and when some of the 'fly by wire' and 'computer over-ride' functions were not so well understood. I can't remember the exact findings of that incident, but it was certainly preventable, but was largely down to a lack of understanding of the technology!
And yes, I think you will find that the training since that incident(and no doubt other early but less disastrous ones) takes good account of training in the Airbus cockpit philosophy.
Such a fly-by is a totally safe manoeuvre, and in this day and age (given the years of Airbus experience now available), if a Pilot is not deemed capable of this then I would not want to fly with them anyway!
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"Last time an Airbus made this sort of demo, it's end up in the wood in France. I thought we would learn from that. Are EZ pilots are trained for this sort of demo ?"
I think you'll find that was a long time ago, in the early days of the Airbus, and when some of the 'fly by wire' and 'computer over-ride' functions were not so well understood. I can't remember the exact findings of that incident, but it was certainly preventable, but was largely down to a lack of understanding of the technology!
And yes, I think you will find that the training since that incident(and no doubt other early but less disastrous ones) takes good account of training in the Airbus cockpit philosophy.
Such a fly-by is a totally safe manoeuvre, and in this day and age (given the years of Airbus experience now available), if a Pilot is not deemed capable of this then I would not want to fly with them anyway!
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Quick turnarounds?
Can one of you knowledgeable chaps tell me if the new aircraft are fitted with airstairs? If not then I find it difficult to imagine how they can turn the aircraft around in 20 minutes! Also have easyJet not bitten off more than they can chew with this new adventure? The first low cost airline to operate two different types and requiring 300 pilots to meet their planned expansion; sounds like quite an ambitious undertaking to me!
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No airstairs, they'll simply use ground steps, no problem there for a 20 min turnaround provided all is in place. Two types not ideal but the deal easy got on these aircraft makes it all worthwhile.
No airstairs, they'll simply use ground steps, no problem there for a 20 min turnaround provided all is in place. Two types not ideal but the deal easy got on these aircraft makes it all worthwhile.
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Interesting article in today's FT about Easyjet's strategy.
A new departure for Easyjet with Airbus (Financial Times)
A new departure for Easyjet with Airbus (Financial Times)
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"Such a fly by is a totally safe manoeuvre..."
Are you serious???? At 100feet?...with passengers.......er doesn't sound remotely clever to me. Wonder what the CAA would feel about this?
"Such a fly by is a totally safe manoeuvre..."
Are you serious???? At 100feet?...with passengers.......er doesn't sound remotely clever to me. Wonder what the CAA would feel about this?
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Diesel,
Are you suggesting that such things as go-arounds (maybe at much less than 100ft) are unsafe?
I've not witnessed this example, but seen many other missed approaches/low approach & go-arounds and not one has appeared to be even slightly verging on the edge of death, as you, presumably, feel they do.
And guess what, nearly all the go-arounds involve passengers down the back -
Get real.
Are you suggesting that such things as go-arounds (maybe at much less than 100ft) are unsafe?
I've not witnessed this example, but seen many other missed approaches/low approach & go-arounds and not one has appeared to be even slightly verging on the edge of death, as you, presumably, feel they do.
And guess what, nearly all the go-arounds involve passengers down the back -
Get real.
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"get real" - Nice to see courtesy and reason are such strong points for you........
The poster claimed originally that the "319 made a flyover at 100feet" - not a go around. If we go around we simply stop going down and start going up! I took this to mean the a/c was doing a flyby to show off the new a/c in new colours etc.. Maybe I have misunderstood. However if it was really some sort of low level fly past then sorry but was that approved by the Authority? Passengers pay us to minimise the risk not increase it. If the original comment actually referred to a simple G/A then fine. These things happen. Just a happy coincidence that it was the new A319? If however it was actually a low level (100'?) flight down the runway, with passengers on board, then yes I am serious, it's completely inappropriate.
Trying to be "real".
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"get real" - Nice to see courtesy and reason are such strong points for you........
The poster claimed originally that the "319 made a flyover at 100feet" - not a go around. If we go around we simply stop going down and start going up! I took this to mean the a/c was doing a flyby to show off the new a/c in new colours etc.. Maybe I have misunderstood. However if it was really some sort of low level fly past then sorry but was that approved by the Authority? Passengers pay us to minimise the risk not increase it. If the original comment actually referred to a simple G/A then fine. These things happen. Just a happy coincidence that it was the new A319? If however it was actually a low level (100'?) flight down the runway, with passengers on board, then yes I am serious, it's completely inappropriate.
Trying to be "real".
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Can the dinosaurs in white gloves please be quiet for once.
No, it's not a good proper aircraft like the Tridents they're used to, this is a fly by wire Airbus! A 100' hover almost insults the intelligence of the a/c in it's simplicity.
I was on the flight too - everyone knew about the go-around prior to going on the flight and was happy about it. We also had some nice fly-by-wire demos that I'm sure would have split a few cups of tea. You're only young once though!
No, it's not a good proper aircraft like the Tridents they're used to, this is a fly by wire Airbus! A 100' hover almost insults the intelligence of the a/c in it's simplicity.
I was on the flight too - everyone knew about the go-around prior to going on the flight and was happy about it. We also had some nice fly-by-wire demos that I'm sure would have split a few cups of tea. You're only young once though!
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yes I too was on-board the "terror flight" we looped and rolled, pullling massive g - everyone was screeming and crying shouting "no no no" all ...naturally... being captured by ITV for the next exciting series of Airline!
ahhh thank you Diesel you made me laugh so hard with your post I nearly broke a rip! Where do you people come from?!
ahhh thank you Diesel you made me laugh so hard with your post I nearly broke a rip! Where do you people come from?!
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It would appear I have rattled a few cages. That was never the intent. Believe me I fully appreciate the pleasure of demonstrating a new a/c's ability. I do not wish to spoil your fun chaps. However my comment was only to highlight that we are there to MINIMIZE risk not increase it. For all of you out there telling me that flying down the runway at whatever height is fine because it's an airbus you should be ashamed. As a commercial pilot you are there to conduct the safest possible operation. If you wish to do some airshow work then please find an appropriate environment. If the aircraft concerned was going around, fine. If it was indulging in a low fly by I am inclined to ask if we have learned nothing from the countless accidents over the years.
Wodka, glad to have made you laugh.
Bobby guzzler, Never had white gloves. Your arrogance regarding the aircraft's fly by wire abilites is truly worrying. I do hope you are not a pilot.
I am amazed that my comment appears so controversial.
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Diesel
It would appear I have rattled a few cages. That was never the intent. Believe me I fully appreciate the pleasure of demonstrating a new a/c's ability. I do not wish to spoil your fun chaps. However my comment was only to highlight that we are there to MINIMIZE risk not increase it. For all of you out there telling me that flying down the runway at whatever height is fine because it's an airbus you should be ashamed. As a commercial pilot you are there to conduct the safest possible operation. If you wish to do some airshow work then please find an appropriate environment. If the aircraft concerned was going around, fine. If it was indulging in a low fly by I am inclined to ask if we have learned nothing from the countless accidents over the years.
Wodka, glad to have made you laugh.
Bobby guzzler, Never had white gloves. Your arrogance regarding the aircraft's fly by wire abilites is truly worrying. I do hope you are not a pilot.
I am amazed that my comment appears so controversial.
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Not so much controversial Diesel just think we need to put this in perspective. The commander did not just think ... I fancy a fly-by. It was planned, briefed, cleared with ATC and executed. Job done.
If ATC or the CAA had a problem do you really think we would risk it on such an important occasion and face the prospect of bad news stories?
If ATC or the CAA had a problem do you really think we would risk it on such an important occasion and face the prospect of bad news stories?
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Fair enough. Didn't know that it was planned as you say. Obviously didn't read the thread far back enough. I was responding to comments that gave me the impression that someone had seen fit to do a low fly by on a commercial aircraft with passengers on board just because they had a new toy - no planning, organisation, discussion with authorities etc.. I stand corrected.
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Diesel
Fair enough. Didn't know that it was planned as you say. Obviously didn't read the thread far back enough. I was responding to comments that gave me the impression that someone had seen fit to do a low fly by on a commercial aircraft with passengers on board just because they had a new toy - no planning, organisation, discussion with authorities etc.. I stand corrected.
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I don't think it is unsafe to do a fly by at 100' over a runway.
The problem is that somebody did that already on an Air France A320 and crash the plane in the wood killing 3 people.
The result of the inquiry highlighted, first of all, that airline pilot, whatever the briefing they may conduct, are not trained to carry out this sort of manouver.
In our business, we always try to avoid taking unnecessary risk or to avoid the possibility of a risk.
A lot of airline, starting with AF, suspend this sort of public demo, with passengers on board, and introduce a minimum of 500' for fly-by.
What are safety margin in level flight at 100' ?
Are you at 100' exactly ? (the AF pilot thought he was, but in fact was at 50')
I'm sorry, but airline business is to carry pasengers in the most standard way it is possible to achieve, not to have fun.
I'm not blaming anybody, I would like to know what level of preparation the pilot had to do that, what the CAA or and FOCA(swiss) policy regarding demo flight (public transport), and finally did they had the EZ Chief Pilot aprouval to do a fly-by at 100' ?
The problem is that somebody did that already on an Air France A320 and crash the plane in the wood killing 3 people.
The result of the inquiry highlighted, first of all, that airline pilot, whatever the briefing they may conduct, are not trained to carry out this sort of manouver.
In our business, we always try to avoid taking unnecessary risk or to avoid the possibility of a risk.
A lot of airline, starting with AF, suspend this sort of public demo, with passengers on board, and introduce a minimum of 500' for fly-by.
What are safety margin in level flight at 100' ?
Are you at 100' exactly ? (the AF pilot thought he was, but in fact was at 50')
I'm sorry, but airline business is to carry pasengers in the most standard way it is possible to achieve, not to have fun.
I'm not blaming anybody, I would like to know what level of preparation the pilot had to do that, what the CAA or and FOCA(swiss) policy regarding demo flight (public transport), and finally did they had the EZ Chief Pilot aprouval to do a fly-by at 100' ?
For goodness sake people! This was not a revenue flight. It had staff on board for a familiarisation jolly.
Any pilot not capable of flying such an aircraft, at normal speeds, at any height above a runway safely shouldnt be there. Should they?
The Habsheim accident was a different scenario, I believe, with the FBW Alpha protections disabled.
Any pilot not capable of flying such an aircraft, at normal speeds, at any height above a runway safely shouldnt be there. Should they?
The Habsheim accident was a different scenario, I believe, with the FBW Alpha protections disabled.