Concorde emergency landing at Cardiff
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Concorde emergency landing at Cardiff
Happened at 1845 (1745Z), BA002 JFK-LHR had engine surge in cruise and landed at Cardiff as precautionary measure:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3117904.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3117904.stm
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"The British Airways flight, travelling from New York's JFK airport to Heathrow, landed at Cardiff International Airport at 1845 BST on Wednesday" .......
a few minutes earlier and they could all have had a pleasant Overnight in Dromoland Castle ....
cheers .... hobie .....
a few minutes earlier and they could all have had a pleasant Overnight in Dromoland Castle ....
cheers .... hobie .....
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This may be an obvious question, but why would Concorde divert to Cardiff rather than LHR from a safety point of view given the different categories of emergency facilties at each.
Not that this would appear to be an emergency situation, but my understanding is that Heathrow must take an aircraft if a Mayday is called,though the consequences to other traffic are obviously considerable.
What is the significance of a divert to Cardiff?
Not that this would appear to be an emergency situation, but my understanding is that Heathrow must take an aircraft if a Mayday is called,though the consequences to other traffic are obviously considerable.
What is the significance of a divert to Cardiff?
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If the subsonic bit had reduced the fuel to near minima, then Cardiff-LHR could have been just a bit too far, allowing for the usual reserves.
Any Concorde captain will be very well aware of a famous fuel emergency some years ago when the big bird landed with virtually no fuel at all.
Better safe than sorry - and Cardiff has lots of engineers on site.
Any Concorde captain will be very well aware of a famous fuel emergency some years ago when the big bird landed with virtually no fuel at all.
Better safe than sorry - and Cardiff has lots of engineers on site.
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Have a look at a globe sometime. It shows that Cardiff is to the West of London. If you are flying JFK-LHR, you will be approaching from the west. Why would you want to continue to LHR with the given situation? (Unless you are head of training!)
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Hate to say it but it was not an emergency landing. Neither a Pan or Mayday was called.
One engine had been shut down due to a surge a normal procedure after a surge. Normally at this stage there would been enough fuel reserves to reach the final destination, but the aircraft had already been one hour late leaving New York's JFK airport, after a rejected take off shortly after 9am.
The aircraft with is reserve fuel loaded would under normal circumstances have sufficent fuel with holding reserves to carry on to Heathrow but the additional taxi time and the rejected take off at Nw York meant that, although it would have had on-board the fuel available to reach Heathrow, it could not do it with the mandatory reserves, so the pilots made the correct decision to divert to Cardiff.
Sometimes this forum does get over excited with people copy and pasting off off "breaking news" type websites. They should go off to that airliners.net spotters place.
One engine had been shut down due to a surge a normal procedure after a surge. Normally at this stage there would been enough fuel reserves to reach the final destination, but the aircraft had already been one hour late leaving New York's JFK airport, after a rejected take off shortly after 9am.
The aircraft with is reserve fuel loaded would under normal circumstances have sufficent fuel with holding reserves to carry on to Heathrow but the additional taxi time and the rejected take off at Nw York meant that, although it would have had on-board the fuel available to reach Heathrow, it could not do it with the mandatory reserves, so the pilots made the correct decision to divert to Cardiff.
Sometimes this forum does get over excited with people copy and pasting off off "breaking news" type websites. They should go off to that airliners.net spotters place.
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A very irritating post Gordon.
Look at the time I posted the thread. The BBC and all of the other news sources were reporting an emergency landing at the time, and that's why I put it in the title. This is a forum for news and that was the news when it was first reported. Excuse me for being less than 100% accurate (and excuse the press, who are a) ill informed about aviation (it's not their job) and b) have to report the news (which we all watch) when they don't have the full facts either.
I don't see what is so difficult to understand there, or why you should resort to sniping. I am used to it by now though here - if a post can be picked on, it will be.
Look at the time I posted the thread. The BBC and all of the other news sources were reporting an emergency landing at the time, and that's why I put it in the title. This is a forum for news and that was the news when it was first reported. Excuse me for being less than 100% accurate (and excuse the press, who are a) ill informed about aviation (it's not their job) and b) have to report the news (which we all watch) when they don't have the full facts either.
I don't see what is so difficult to understand there, or why you should resort to sniping. I am used to it by now though here - if a post can be picked on, it will be.
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although there are many engineers on site at BAMC, none of them hold concorde authorisation so apart from lending the ramp to it, no work could have been carried out as it would've been unrecorded
EGFF has approx 2700m of tarmac so plenty to put it down, but not enough to get it off fully loaded! after a maintenance check, with no pax, cargo etc. the 747s go up like tomohawks!
EGFF has approx 2700m of tarmac so plenty to put it down, but not enough to get it off fully loaded! after a maintenance check, with no pax, cargo etc. the 747s go up like tomohawks!
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My post told the story, which was as far as I could see missing from the topic. Ok I had a dig at the end, but people posting stuff like that really does get on soem peoples nerves. Very few news organsations reported an "emergency landing" Most did get it right tonight that is was simply a diversion.
it was a shame you did not have time to come back onto the board to report the full facts or edit your original post, but simply make some tacky remark at myself, who was contributing to the information on the topic.
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Very rarely I am over "there" in my postings...but I was trying a little humor..obviously I failed..sorry!
My post told the story, which was as far as I could see missing from the topic. Ok I had a dig at the end, but people posting stuff like that really does get on soem peoples nerves. Very few news organsations reported an "emergency landing" Most did get it right tonight that is was simply a diversion.
it was a shame you did not have time to come back onto the board to report the full facts or edit your original post, but simply make some tacky remark at myself, who was contributing to the information on the topic.
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Very rarely I am over "there" in my postings...but I was trying a little humor..obviously I failed..sorry!
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I have a question for those in the know - did concorde suffer as many diversions prior to the AF crash - this is two inside a 1 week period is it not - on to Maine and one to Cardiff (both parocial backwaters with a history of interfamily breeding I am informed) 