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I wonder where mr Dartagnan is now.
I have to admit that the checks in Vueling are not always easy and simple.
But it is no rocket science. Maybe Dartagnan is a just a lazy bastard who threw 25.000 euro´s down the drain.
I have to admit that the checks in Vueling are not always easy and simple.
But it is no rocket science. Maybe Dartagnan is a just a lazy bastard who threw 25.000 euro´s down the drain.
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Change coming
I agree Silver surfer.
The next major change of management has not yet occurred at Vueling yet.
Carlos Munoz-CEO and Lazaro-COO ( whose strategy of low pay for pilots ) are about to get pushed out,due to the losses.
There has been poor management on their part. Flights have been cancelled due to a lack of pilots. Other companies sub contracted due to a lack of pilots. Higher turnover increased training costs. Sure it has contributed to their losses, but is only part of the equation.
Michael Bata ( deputy COO ) is helping to change the mentality. Things are improving in my opinion. We do have a way to go.
I believe the pilots as a group have to be more pro active in changing things at Vueling.
I am no expert but ...
Lower revenue per seat due to increased competition is a bigger problem as the load factor has improved.
Carlos Munoz has no airline experience ( does not seem to understand the pilot culture ) and is not a people person. He was very good at raising the capital required to start the airline and an intelligent individual.
The next major change of management has not yet occurred at Vueling yet.
Carlos Munoz-CEO and Lazaro-COO ( whose strategy of low pay for pilots ) are about to get pushed out,due to the losses.
There has been poor management on their part. Flights have been cancelled due to a lack of pilots. Other companies sub contracted due to a lack of pilots. Higher turnover increased training costs. Sure it has contributed to their losses, but is only part of the equation.
Michael Bata ( deputy COO ) is helping to change the mentality. Things are improving in my opinion. We do have a way to go.
I believe the pilots as a group have to be more pro active in changing things at Vueling.
I am no expert but ...
Lower revenue per seat due to increased competition is a bigger problem as the load factor has improved.
Carlos Munoz has no airline experience ( does not seem to understand the pilot culture ) and is not a people person. He was very good at raising the capital required to start the airline and an intelligent individual.
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If Munoz is so intelligent, how come he doesn't grasp the realities of the obvious? So, the third strong M at VLG is neither Management nor Munoz, right? Those excited about the share price should remember where the price was last March and wonder if it will ever get there again.
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Buenos Dias,
I heard that at Vueling there is 80% turn over per year.
We could think that 80% of pilots are stupid, I don't know why but I prefer to think that 20% of pilots are very stupid to work for a very low salary.
Is the basic salary of first officers still 1000EUR/month ?
It is not easy to find a good company but at least don't work for nothink, Vueling it is just good to have the first experience on the Airbus or a captain upgrade and after you must leave.
Tchao
I heard that at Vueling there is 80% turn over per year.
We could think that 80% of pilots are stupid, I don't know why but I prefer to think that 20% of pilots are very stupid to work for a very low salary.
Is the basic salary of first officers still 1000EUR/month ?
It is not easy to find a good company but at least don't work for nothink, Vueling it is just good to have the first experience on the Airbus or a captain upgrade and after you must leave.
Tchao
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The turn over of pilots is very low at the moment. Salaries have been increased to what is more or less standard for a short haul A320 pilot.
Also I would like to know at what time you report and finish your duties when you are on earlies and on lates.
Thanks a lot
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hey pen tito,
munoz probably sold a lot of shares at 50 and then he probably shorted the stock ( made money on the decrease in stock price ).he has already made his money.
lift dumper,
if the turnover so low why is they do not have crews to have standby crews and flights cancelled, they still do not have enough crews, I doubt they want to keep at minimum crews because it is costing them money
munoz probably sold a lot of shares at 50 and then he probably shorted the stock ( made money on the decrease in stock price ).he has already made his money.
lift dumper,
if the turnover so low why is they do not have crews to have standby crews and flights cancelled, they still do not have enough crews, I doubt they want to keep at minimum crews because it is costing them money
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hola Amigos!
hard to know the truth in this company.Lies, lies, lies!
are pilots still sleeping in their car?
when looking at the stock market, it looks like a bouncing ball. I give them 3-6 months, no more!I can be wrong...
I wonder where they go find the money to lease new Aircrafts? these megalomaniacs will never learn! oh yes, they have a reputable name in barcelona, it is a good start!
if some of you want join them, you have some available seats at 1000-1200 euro/month.If you have the money for the type rating but I strongly suggest you to keep your cash and stay away from these
...!
ciao!
hard to know the truth in this company.Lies, lies, lies!
are pilots still sleeping in their car?
when looking at the stock market, it looks like a bouncing ball. I give them 3-6 months, no more!I can be wrong...
I wonder where they go find the money to lease new Aircrafts? these megalomaniacs will never learn! oh yes, they have a reputable name in barcelona, it is a good start!
if some of you want join them, you have some available seats at 1000-1200 euro/month.If you have the money for the type rating but I strongly suggest you to keep your cash and stay away from these
...!ciao!
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Question
I have been reading all the bitching in this forum and it is easy to asses the quality of a company.
Liftdumper you seem to answer (with a lot of know how) the people who smear the company, Could you answer this PLEASE!
What do they ask for new hirings?
What is the entry level salary?
Do they ask the new hire to have a type rating?
Do they have any type of scam (not scheme) on the "buy yourself a job business"?
With those questions asked I can tell how they are going to run the company.
Now the MACHTRIM.....Please do not open the politics can of worms of Catalonia superiority in this forum, please. I particularly are a non-extremist, non-nationalist and I think we will like to talk about planes not politics
Liftdumper you seem to answer (with a lot of know how) the people who smear the company, Could you answer this PLEASE!
What do they ask for new hirings?
What is the entry level salary?
Do they ask the new hire to have a type rating?
Do they have any type of scam (not scheme) on the "buy yourself a job business"?
With those questions asked I can tell how they are going to run the company.
Now the MACHTRIM.....Please do not open the politics can of worms of Catalonia superiority in this forum, please. I particularly are a non-extremist, non-nationalist and I think we will like to talk about planes not politics
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Always moving,
You are mistaken or perhaps you have difficulty comprehending what is written, as I have not brought up Catalan superiority into this thread and not interested in doing so, it is you who addresed the issue, not me.
liftdumper,
Why are they still calling Captains to work on their days off ?
There may be standby FO-s,There are certainly not standby captains.They are short crews until the next batch of crews are trained up.
Part of the problem is a lot of short sectors, 1 or 2 hour flights. For example at Clickair guys fly longer sectors and make more working less days.
You are doing the same job as an Easyjet pilot but paid less.
You are mistaken or perhaps you have difficulty comprehending what is written, as I have not brought up Catalan superiority into this thread and not interested in doing so, it is you who addresed the issue, not me.
liftdumper,
Why are they still calling Captains to work on their days off ?
There may be standby FO-s,There are certainly not standby captains.They are short crews until the next batch of crews are trained up.
Part of the problem is a lot of short sectors, 1 or 2 hour flights. For example at Clickair guys fly longer sectors and make more working less days.
You are doing the same job as an Easyjet pilot but paid less.
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HMM
I bet you he knows stuff we don't. Good for him he is a guy with balls and it is interesting he is buying now. This guy is respected in Spain and Catalonia, the impact of this is huge. This is how he answered speculations that he would sell..
If somebody will read this and do not know that Catalonia is a state of Spain it will seam that is a different country. Or you are going to name the only 2 places in the world that "this guy" is respected?
Perhaps a Freudian lapse?
You are disqualifying me without knowing anything about me, may be you were just venting..... (let's leave it at that!)
If somebody will read this and do not know that Catalonia is a state of Spain it will seam that is a different country. Or you are going to name the only 2 places in the world that "this guy" is respected?
Perhaps a Freudian lapse?
You are disqualifying me without knowing anything about me, may be you were just venting..... (let's leave it at that!)
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getting better or flattering to deceive?
Vueling November load factor 63.4 pct vs 56.1 pct yr-earlier
MADRID (Thomson Financial) - Vueling Airlines SA said its load factor rose to 63.4 pct in November from 56.1 pct a year earlier.
In a statement, Vueling said the number of passengers transported increased 74.8 pct to 495,860 in November year-on-year.
The no-frills carrier said its load factor in the eleven months to November rose to 74.1 pct from 69.2 pct.
The load factor improvement in November is helping to offset the impact of the decline in tariffs provoked by sector competition.
Vueling said it aims to 'optimise' tarifs in the coming months, 'even although this could cause some decrease in occupancy levels.'
New chairman Josep Pique said recently that the carrier's strategic plan includes revising tariffs, which Vueling considers are too low.
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What next then?
MADRID (Thomson Financial) - Vueling Airlines SA said its load factor rose to 63.4 pct in November from 56.1 pct a year earlier.
In a statement, Vueling said the number of passengers transported increased 74.8 pct to 495,860 in November year-on-year.
The no-frills carrier said its load factor in the eleven months to November rose to 74.1 pct from 69.2 pct.
The load factor improvement in November is helping to offset the impact of the decline in tariffs provoked by sector competition.
Vueling said it aims to 'optimise' tarifs in the coming months, 'even although this could cause some decrease in occupancy levels.'
New chairman Josep Pique said recently that the carrier's strategic plan includes revising tariffs, which Vueling considers are too low.
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What next then?
