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hostesses are HOT (air nostrum ones)
Todavia si te pongono en un avion en Asia...ahi ahi ahi tios!
El sueldo es mierda es verdad y ahora el CAE es el TRTO por la selecion...
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Salary is OK.
PZ, hay de todo en ANS, incluso chicas de otros paises que (por supuesto) hablan el castellano y que "practican el frances"
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I sent a CV thousand of time and they didn't give me back any positive answer. Probably it's necessary to place yourself in a 90 degree attitude in front of the human resource manager and after an hot night to be ready to pay a type rating by yourself 
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That will depend on how much you fly, the contract you are flying (ANE is not the only customer Denim has), the time you spend out of base, extra days you work.
Quite easy to take home more than 3.000 eur a month, much more very often.
Quite easy to take home more than 3.000 eur a month, much more very often.
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you are lucky because a friend of mine is flying there (spanish base for ANS) and he hardly makes 2200 euros net, with no pension, and 65/70 hrs a month, and lots of night spent at the hotel, away from base. I can't remeber how much he had to pay for the type rating, but it was at least 25000 euros.
Captains can expect to earn 5000 euros a month, which is still a bit low.
Air Nostrum pays a lot more !
at least, Spanish base is a very good deal and Dash 8 is an extremely good experience
Captains can expect to earn 5000 euros a month, which is still a bit low.
Air Nostrum pays a lot more !
at least, Spanish base is a very good deal and Dash 8 is an extremely good experience
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I have a couple of friends there (F/O) and they say salary is not that good, and they have to pay for a lot of things you wouldn't should you work for ANE (meals and other stuff) which makes the money you take home less, both of them are flying well over the 75 h a month (around 90) and hardly take home over 2000 euros net after deducing all the expenses.
They are now sending crews to Nigeria every now and then for a couple of weeks, lot's of Capts. leaving for Companies with better T&C's.
For what i hear is a good place to get experience and then go somewhere else once you have logged some comand TP time (time to command is very short).
PZ is right about CAE (por cierto , como te va PZ? )
Good luck
They are now sending crews to Nigeria every now and then for a couple of weeks, lot's of Capts. leaving for Companies with better T&C's.
For what i hear is a good place to get experience and then go somewhere else once you have logged some comand TP time (time to command is very short).
PZ is right about CAE (por cierto , como te va PZ?
)Good luck
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hardly take home over 2000 euros
well over the 75 h a month (around 90)
Crew meals provided onboard, you only pay your lunch or dinner at the hotel, but you will hardly spend half of the money you get for that. Parking paid at your home base. Uniform cleaning is paid (that's more or less 60 eur/month). Insurance provided. Ilimited staff travel with a certain company for you and your family. Two extra payments this year, plus the holiday extra you get in may.
Nice and really experienced people to fly with. Be sure that your colleagues are getting more than 2.000 eur a month, and no first officer flies 90 hrs/month.
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Net Pay
As i said in my previous post i talk about NET income.
As for the flight time, last week i met a crew from Denim, Capt. and F/O were asking crews from another company about the spanish rules on flight time and duty hours, apparently they flew quite a lot this day, finishing late, and had 12 flights scheduled for the following day (early start, only 10 hours rest), i take it they were all short flights (between islands in the Baleares), i get the impression they fly quite a lot.
This is just what the crew told me, my two friends working in Denim say as much, they say they are short of crew and that is the cause of the amount of hours they fly at the moment.
in any case , i mean no offense to you Full Hope , and i only point out what i have seen and heard from Denim employees.
As for the flight time, last week i met a crew from Denim, Capt. and F/O were asking crews from another company about the spanish rules on flight time and duty hours, apparently they flew quite a lot this day, finishing late, and had 12 flights scheduled for the following day (early start, only 10 hours rest), i take it they were all short flights (between islands in the Baleares), i get the impression they fly quite a lot.
This is just what the crew told me, my two friends working in Denim say as much, they say they are short of crew and that is the cause of the amount of hours they fly at the moment.
in any case , i mean no offense to you Full Hope , and i only point out what i have seen and heard from Denim employees.
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12 flights scheduled
Capt. and F/O were asking crews from another company about the spanish rules on flight time and duty hours, apparently they flew quite a lot this day
As i said in my previous post i talk about NET income.
i mean no offense to you Full Hope
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full hope, what my denimair friend told me sounds very similar to what LEVC is telling, apart from the fact that I was told that as F/O they only fly around 60 or 65 hrs a month !
Perhaps LEVC and myself have the same friend ... This world is so small you know !
Anyway, it seems that you want to denny the content of our posts however surprisingly, you are not accurate at all !!!!
What does really mean "easy to take home 3000 euros/ month net" ?
Just give us the gross basic salary and number of hours flown per year as well as sector pay (gross).
Anyway, What I heard was 2200 euros net a month for 60/65 hrs. no pension scheme and a very expensive type rating to reimbourse
. Not sure wether or not you have a social insurance included in the package.
What makes him stay at denimair is the base in Spain, young and friendly captains, and nasty hostesses 
Perhaps LEVC and myself have the same friend
... This world is so small you know !Anyway, it seems that you want to denny the content of our posts however surprisingly, you are not accurate at all !!!!
What does really mean "easy to take home 3000 euros/ month net" ?
Just give us the gross basic salary and number of hours flown per year as well as sector pay (gross).
Anyway, What I heard was 2200 euros net a month for 60/65 hrs. no pension scheme and a very expensive type rating to reimbourse
. Not sure wether or not you have a social insurance included in the package.What makes him stay at denimair is the base in Spain, young and friendly captains, and nasty hostesses
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PZ is right about CAE (por cierto , como te va PZ? )
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. Enchufes y suerte allowing, let's hope we will enjoy soon a cerveza somewhere when off-duty. Are you finally airborne at cruise level and speed on the sweet CRJ? Vale, I hope so...sorry I missed Fallas this year!Dunno much about Denim but their recruiting process improved, me thinks. It went from rubbish to bad....
.Used to be run in NL outsourcing it to a company that was asking 1500 to screen you. For God sake, not even Ryanair or Vueling dare so much! And you still hear complains from people who were asked 147 bucks from JKK...C'mon.
No clue abut salaries but working for an ACMI isn't THAT easy and actractive. ANE is WAY better and VLC a sweet place to live I guess. LEVC...give us some wisdom, tio.
Suerte
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Came back just to point two more things:
Despite the fact that now CAE is doing the recruitment for Denim, let me tell you that I didn't have to pay a single euro for the assesment.
Please do not compare Denim with Air Nostrum, as there's no way of getting into ANE without good contacts. This has been the only requirement for the last 5-6 years.
New joiners are Air Nostrum are forced to take vacations after the sim training while awaiting for the type rating to be endorsed on their license. Better or not, they only give the chance to people with contacts no matter what the experience or preparation is.
Despite the fact that now CAE is doing the recruitment for Denim, let me tell you that I didn't have to pay a single euro for the assesment.
ANE is WAY better
New joiners are Air Nostrum are forced to take vacations after the sim training while awaiting for the type rating to be endorsed on their license. Better or not, they only give the chance to people with contacts no matter what the experience or preparation is.