PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Space Flight and Operations (https://www.pprune.org/space-flight-operations-58/)
-   -   SpaceX flight testing in South Texas (https://www.pprune.org/space-flight-operations/637604-spacex-flight-testing-south-texas.html)

tdracer 15th September 2023 17:36

I can't help but wonder how long it would have taken to develop the Atlas back in the late 1950's-early 1960's if the FAA had been in charge. Those things blew up on a regular basis, yet they continued to launch them as part of the development process to sort out all the issues.
Even when the Atlas was 'man-rated' for Mercury-Atlas orbital flights, it's failure rate was close to 1/3rd...

ORAC 16th September 2023 05:58

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6141601e5.jpeg

HOVIS 19th September 2023 15:30

Could be a long delay. January next year perhaps.

https://wccftech.com/spacexs-starshi...case-scenario/

ORAC 21st September 2023 07:53

Musk getting pissed off. Not sure what NASA thinks…

US Fish and Wildlife officials have yet to begin a formal review of SpaceX’s upgrades following Starship’s first launch in April. This could push back the next launch window by months, which I know none of us want to hear.

The agency still needs to review SpaceX’s plans to operate a water deluge system during the next launch of its Starship rocket — this process could take anywhere from 30 to 135 days, the FWS said in an email to Bloomberg News on Monday.

However, that review process has yet to formally begin, the FWS said, which could further delay SpaceX’s plans to launch Starship on its second test flight from South Texas.

The US Federal Aviation Administration cannot give SpaceX a new launch license until the consultation with the FWS is complete, the FWS added….

Elon Musk:

That is unacceptable.

It is absurd that SpaceX can build a giant rocket faster than they can shuffle paperwork!
​​​​​​​

robocoder 21st September 2023 11:06

Pretty sure calling their work useless paperwork will speed up things.

tdracer 22nd September 2023 18:19

The scariest words in the English language:
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".

ORAC 26th September 2023 08:28

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f36be3308.jpeg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9046f6a08.jpeg


ORAC 18th October 2023 14:38

In a remarkably frank discussion this week, several senior SpaceX officials spoke with Ars Technica on background about how working with the Federal Aviation Administration has slowed down the company's progress.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/1...censing-staff/

Citing slow Starship reviews, SpaceX urges FAA to double licensing staff

ORAC 18th October 2023 14:46

As the consultation with FAA and US Fish and Wildlife over the Starship mishap will likely push into November, further delaying a second launch attempt, SpaceX is calling on Congress to push FAA to issue launch licenses faster - The Washington Post

​​​​​​​

tdracer 18th October 2023 19:28


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11523360)
In a remarkably frank discussion this week, several senior SpaceX officials spoke with Ars Technica on background about how working with the Federal Aviation Administration has slowed down the company's progress.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/1...censing-staff/

Citing slow Starship reviews, SpaceX urges FAA to double licensing staff

If the FAA had been overseeing NASA in the 1960's, we wouldn't have landed on the moon for another 20 years...

Less Hair 18th October 2023 19:31

Let the FAA do its job. No industry fast track for billionaires please.

IFMU 19th October 2023 03:54


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11523474)
Let the FAA do its job. No industry fast track for billionaires please.

But is it only for a billionaire? I have hopes to see progress in space travel, so limiting bureaucracy is a benefit to me. I suspect I'm not the only one.

The FAA didn't help us get to the moon in '69.

what next 19th October 2023 13:18


Originally Posted by IFMU (Post 11523619)
I have hopes to see progress in space travel, so limiting bureaucracy is a benefit to me.

We are not going to see any space travel soon if a major accident happens during testing of these rockets. A fueled Superheavy/Starship rocket has the destructive power of a small nuclear bomb. On the first launch attempt, the rocket was completely out of control, staging didn't work and the safety systems not as expected. I wouldn't want to live any closer than 1000 miles from Boca Chica when they try it again, unless the FAA and the other supervising authorities work as good as they can. If it takes a little longer, then be it so. An accident will cause much bigger delays or even an end of the entire program.

ORAC 19th October 2023 22:09

SpaceX is cleaning up the concrete debris from the inaugural Starship launch! Personnel from the Fish & Wildlife Service and Texas Parks have been spotted onsite, likely overseeing the process.


tdracer 20th October 2023 19:09


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11523474)
Let the FAA do its job. No industry fast track for billionaires please.

SpaceX has advanced the start of the art in the launching payloads into space more in the last 10 years than NASA has in the last 50 years. And that did that with precious little government funding.
They didn't do that because they had the FAA looking over their shoulder and second guessing everything they did.
Sometimes you need to turn the innovators loose to do their thing.

ORAC 21st October 2023 15:25

​​​​​​​Single engine static fire demonstrating flight-like startup for a Starship deorbit burn

HOVIS 21st October 2023 16:33


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11524104)
SpaceX is cleaning up the concrete debris from the inaugural Starship launch! Personnel from the Fish & Wildlife Service and Texas Parks have been spotted onsite, likely overseeing the process.

About time. This is the real reason for the delay. SpaceX were allowed to build a launch complex in the middle of a wildlife sanctuary, they made a right mess of that when the launch pad got blasted to bits and threw debris for literally miles! It's been months and there has been no attempt to clear it up. None! Did NASA ever create a similar mess at The Cape in the 60s?
Blaming the FAA is a straw man, SpaceX has only itself to blame.

tdracer 21st October 2023 22:40


Originally Posted by HOVIS (Post 11525340)
About time. This is the real reason for the delay. SpaceX were allowed to build a launch complex in the middle of a wildlife sanctuary, they made a right mess of that when the launch pad got blasted to bits and threw debris for literally miles! It's been months and there has been no attempt to clear it up. None! Did NASA ever create a similar mess at The Cape in the 60s?
Blaming the FAA is a straw man, SpaceX has only itself to blame.

Are you sure?
I wonder how long it took SpaceX to get Parks and Wildlife approval for their cleanup plan, and to arrange for the government required observers of their process?
Because I'd bet big money that it wasn't a quick or easy process to do that, and SpaceX doesn't have a reputation for procrastination.

ORAC 22nd October 2023 17:35

Starship: Catch & release - Though not planned for the first few launches, with the help of @LunarCaveman, I have put together this infographic explaining how SpaceX plans to catch the biggest operational rocket in history on future missions.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1b3cf90e6.jpeg
​​​​​​​

ORAC 22nd October 2023 22:52

​​​​​​​The Flame Deflector test from earlier today was pretty intense compared to past tests. Such a massive amount of water being ejected in less than a 60 seconds.

This change is result of an additional 82,000 gallons of capacity that was added recently. Along with this, the high pressure gas system now has nearly double the capacity since the last time this system was tested.

Can't wait for launch day, when ever that is!


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:07.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.