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I can't help but wonder how long it would have taken to develop the Atlas back in the late 1950's-early 1960's if the FAA had been in charge. Those things blew up on a regular basis, yet they continued to launch them as part of the development process to sort out all the issues.
Even when the Atlas was 'man-rated' for Mercury-Atlas orbital flights, it's failure rate was close to 1/3rd... |
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Could be a long delay. January next year perhaps.
https://wccftech.com/spacexs-starshi...case-scenario/ |
Musk getting pissed off. Not sure what NASA thinks…
US Fish and Wildlife officials have yet to begin a formal review of SpaceX’s upgrades following Starship’s first launch in April. This could push back the next launch window by months, which I know none of us want to hear. The agency still needs to review SpaceX’s plans to operate a water deluge system during the next launch of its Starship rocket — this process could take anywhere from 30 to 135 days, the FWS said in an email to Bloomberg News on Monday. However, that review process has yet to formally begin, the FWS said, which could further delay SpaceX’s plans to launch Starship on its second test flight from South Texas. The US Federal Aviation Administration cannot give SpaceX a new launch license until the consultation with the FWS is complete, the FWS added…. Elon Musk: That is unacceptable. It is absurd that SpaceX can build a giant rocket faster than they can shuffle paperwork! |
Pretty sure calling their work useless paperwork will speed up things.
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The scariest words in the English language:
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you". |
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In a remarkably frank discussion this week, several senior SpaceX officials spoke with Ars Technica on background about how working with the Federal Aviation Administration has slowed down the company's progress.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/1...censing-staff/ Citing slow Starship reviews, SpaceX urges FAA to double licensing staff |
As the consultation with FAA and US Fish and Wildlife over the Starship mishap will likely push into November, further delaying a second launch attempt, SpaceX is calling on Congress to push FAA to issue launch licenses faster - The Washington Post
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11523360)
In a remarkably frank discussion this week, several senior SpaceX officials spoke with Ars Technica on background about how working with the Federal Aviation Administration has slowed down the company's progress.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/1...censing-staff/ Citing slow Starship reviews, SpaceX urges FAA to double licensing staff |
Let the FAA do its job. No industry fast track for billionaires please.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 11523474)
Let the FAA do its job. No industry fast track for billionaires please.
The FAA didn't help us get to the moon in '69. |
Originally Posted by IFMU
(Post 11523619)
I have hopes to see progress in space travel, so limiting bureaucracy is a benefit to me.
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SpaceX is cleaning up the concrete debris from the inaugural Starship launch! Personnel from the Fish & Wildlife Service and Texas Parks have been spotted onsite, likely overseeing the process.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 11523474)
Let the FAA do its job. No industry fast track for billionaires please.
They didn't do that because they had the FAA looking over their shoulder and second guessing everything they did. Sometimes you need to turn the innovators loose to do their thing. |
Single engine static fire demonstrating flight-like startup for a Starship deorbit burn
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11524104)
SpaceX is cleaning up the concrete debris from the inaugural Starship launch! Personnel from the Fish & Wildlife Service and Texas Parks have been spotted onsite, likely overseeing the process.
Blaming the FAA is a straw man, SpaceX has only itself to blame. |
Originally Posted by HOVIS
(Post 11525340)
About time. This is the real reason for the delay. SpaceX were allowed to build a launch complex in the middle of a wildlife sanctuary, they made a right mess of that when the launch pad got blasted to bits and threw debris for literally miles! It's been months and there has been no attempt to clear it up. None! Did NASA ever create a similar mess at The Cape in the 60s?
Blaming the FAA is a straw man, SpaceX has only itself to blame. I wonder how long it took SpaceX to get Parks and Wildlife approval for their cleanup plan, and to arrange for the government required observers of their process? Because I'd bet big money that it wasn't a quick or easy process to do that, and SpaceX doesn't have a reputation for procrastination. |
Starship: Catch & release - Though not planned for the first few launches, with the help of @LunarCaveman, I have put together this infographic explaining how SpaceX plans to catch the biggest operational rocket in history on future missions.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1b3cf90e6.jpeg |
The Flame Deflector test from earlier today was pretty intense compared to past tests. Such a massive amount of water being ejected in less than a 60 seconds.
This change is result of an additional 82,000 gallons of capacity that was added recently. Along with this, the high pressure gas system now has nearly double the capacity since the last time this system was tested. Can't wait for launch day, when ever that is! |
A marine notice has been posted for November 6th for rocket launching operations near Boca Chica Beach!
This does NOT mean a launch license has been granted but is a good sign one could be granted very soon! (I think we could get a launch license announcement today or tomorrow, just my opinion though) https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e68b5fd5a.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ad3f888ffe.png |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11525801)
Starship: Catch & release - Though not planned for the first few launches, with the help of @LunarCaveman, I have put together this infographic explaining how SpaceX plans to catch the biggest operational rocket in history on future missions.
I trust that SpaceX has smart people who know what they're doing... |
The FAA has completed the safety review portion of Starship-Super Heavy today.
Main outstanding item is now the consultation with FWS, and the environmental section of the review. |
FAA completes safety review for next Starship launch - SpaceNews
The FAA is continuing to work on an environmental review, including consultation with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) regarding any environmental effects of a new water deluge system installed on the Starship launch pad at Boca Chica, Texas. FWS, in an Oct. 26 statement, said it had formally reinitiated an Endangered Species Act consultation with the FAA about modifications to the pad on Oct. 19. “We have up to 135 days to issue an amended biological opinion but do not expect to take the full amount of time,” FWS stated, but did not offer a more precise estimate of the time needed to complete the review. “When it comes to projects of national interest, such as the Artemis program, Congress should establish a regulatory regime consistent with the national program’s objectives and schedules,” he said. Agencies supporting the FAA licensing process, “like those with environmental responsibilities, should also be required to complete their work consistent with the national program schedules.” |
The second flight test of a fully integrated Starship could launch as soon as mid-November, pending regulatory approval →
https://www.spacex.com/launches/miss...rship-flight-2 |
Closures for November 13th through the 15th have just been posted. This is likely for the 2nd Starship Integrated Flight Test!
Time to get excited! https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....60b856dd6f.png |
This weekend is bringing a front of bad weather extending into next week. If the government isn't causing delays mother nature will always pick up the slack.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d05a6efc76.png |
A NOTAM has been posted for Mexican airspace for the next launch of SpaceX's Starship rocket. The notice is valid from November 13th to 18th with daily windows running from 7AM CST to 9:39AM CST (13:00-15:39 UTC).
And now a Navigational Hazard Warning has been posted as well for the Gulf of Mexico. Same daily windows from November 13th to November 18th running from 7AM CST to 9:39AM CST. And hold up, another one just came in also for the Starship reentry over the Pacific Ocean near Hawaii. So that's the launch and reentry of Starship now covered. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6a4670fb6a.png https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3f1c63ccdf.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....96be97a26.jpeg |
Weather related - wind and rain expected to last until 16th.
NOTAM now indicating NET November 15 for IFT2 launch, of course, pending approval. As if it's not already.... |
One of the last actions performed before flight….
Videos… Booster 9 Flight Termination System (FTS) install - the explosives that will destroy the vehicle in case of anomaly. An improved system from Booster 7 after its FTS trigger resulted in a "It's just a flesh wound!" reaction during the first test flight. |
Ah, now then. The FTS is only good for a finite period so they must be confident.
I also spotted something the other day that indicated a 3rd launch on 1st of December. Assuming the environmental cleanup and regulatory approval gets done quickly. Fingers crossed. |
Ahead of Flight 2, Jack Beyer (@thejackbeyer) has a detailed guide to Starship's pre-fueling activities, the pre-launch sequence, and the propellant load nuances. Plus, an overview of the trajectory timelines for Booster 9 and Ship 25.
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The second flight test of a fully integrated Starship could launch as soon as early as Friday, November 17, pending final regulatory approval.
A live webcast of the flight test will begin about 30 minutes before liftoff, which you can watch here and on X @SpaceX. As is the case with all developmental testing, the schedule is dynamic and likely to change, so be sure to stay tuned to our X account for updates. |
Elon Musk:
Was just informed that approval to launch should happen in time for a Friday launch. |
Targeting Friday, November 17 for Starship’s second flight test. A two-hour launch window opens at 7:00 a.m. CT → http://spacex.com/launches
[1300 UTC ] US Fish and Wildlife Service gave the go for launch. FAA license approval still pending but likely. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11540052)
FAA license approval still pending but likely.
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We are GO for launch.
Consider me excited by the way. |
Launch window is from 13.00 GMT for 2 hours. Friday 17th Nov
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