How to fly an approach without the plate
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How to fly an approach without the plate
Saw this in a magazine.
I think this practice is fraught with danger 
How to fly an approach without the plate. (Not recommended, but it can be done)
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NPA I would agree with but an ILS not so bad.
Yes its preferable to be prepared and all the rest of the good stuff.But when you decide you diverting then find out that some knob has either taken that plate, not put them back where they should or for some reason your having a brain fart because you have not remember that the airport has changed its name eg pennygreen to wolverhampton international spaceport. Its far better to fess up quickly and then ask the ATC to quickly read out the frequency,track,mins and go around instructions. Than have a pilot single crewing it while the other one goes off on a search. If your single crew even more so Aviate first.
Yes its preferable to be prepared and all the rest of the good stuff.But when you decide you diverting then find out that some knob has either taken that plate, not put them back where they should or for some reason your having a brain fart because you have not remember that the airport has changed its name eg pennygreen to wolverhampton international spaceport. Its far better to fess up quickly and then ask the ATC to quickly read out the frequency,track,mins and go around instructions. Than have a pilot single crewing it while the other one goes off on a search. If your single crew even more so Aviate first.
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Agree with mad_jock for the most of it. Recently had the nasty experience of being nearly without any charts as the only powersource for both EFBs failed while one was out of juice to begin with. As the second leg was back to home base we didn't use the remaining EFB for that but briefed by heart, for any diversion we would have had to ask ATC to provide us with the minimum (all other info is kept within the FMC).
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Speaking as an ex-controller, wherever I worked I had to be able to describe the approach in plain English and in step-by-step chunks to cater for this situation. Only ever had to do it once in nearly 20 years and it didn't cause any great problems - for me or the pilot.
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Nope. Two independent FMC and two independent EFB is all it takes for us. Our FMC provides the frequency for any ILS approach, other approaches are flown them from the database only in any case, runway length info is provided for each landing runway as well.
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Ok, thought there was some legislation somewhere.
We've had issues with EFB's going on strike, e.g. 'freezing up', GPS tracking dropping offline, or simply not booting up properly at all, at the start of the day. Found the backup charts to be handy, on occasion.
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We've had issues with EFB's going on strike, e.g. 'freezing up', GPS tracking dropping offline, or simply not booting up properly at all, at the start of the day. Found the backup charts to be handy, on occasion.
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Ok, thought there was some legislation somewhere.
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From: on the golf course (Covid permitting)
Kai Tak was described as an IGS (Instrument Guidance System)rather than an ILS, still had the same components but rather than a 2 or 3 degree offset, it was (from memory) 47 degrees! I have sat on the checkerboard by the G/S transmitter and seen the LLZ aerial below in a field, while watching various operators 'attack' the runway in a variety of manners, some pretty ... some not!
Genoa 29 & JFK 22R are also offset
Genoa 29 & JFK 22R are also offset
