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A new airline offering ACMI leases with L-1011 TriStars will be based at Shannon, Ireland. The airline`s Chief Executive Officer Neil Robertson currently works with Africargo Airlines, which operates regional and cargo operations from Bujumbara, Burundi. He confirmed that the as-yet unnamed company has sent a Letter of Intent on February 9th to Delta Air Lines for their entire fleet of 44 L-1011s, which consists of 15 -500s, six -250s and 23 -1s.
"We intend to convert all of the -250s and some of the -500s to freighters, and operate the remeinder in a passenger configuration." he said. He also reported that the company has been in discussions with Custom Air Support Holdings of Miami regarding the purchase of all 16 former Saudia Arabian -200s which were purchased by the leasing company last November.
Shannon has been selected as its hub because of special deals on taxation, grants and subsidies. The company also plans to install an L-1011 flight simulator and a RB211 engine overhaul facility at the airport; both of which are being included in the Delta package.
Robertson says that the company will submit its AOC application shortly to the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) and hopes to have the first L-1011s delivered in time for the year 2000 summer season. Letters of intent are currently held from two airlines, and the company is in discussions with a Middle Eastern government about setting up a new airline for them using L-1011s.
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"We intend to convert all of the -250s and some of the -500s to freighters, and operate the remeinder in a passenger configuration." he said. He also reported that the company has been in discussions with Custom Air Support Holdings of Miami regarding the purchase of all 16 former Saudia Arabian -200s which were purchased by the leasing company last November.
Shannon has been selected as its hub because of special deals on taxation, grants and subsidies. The company also plans to install an L-1011 flight simulator and a RB211 engine overhaul facility at the airport; both of which are being included in the Delta package.
Robertson says that the company will submit its AOC application shortly to the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) and hopes to have the first L-1011s delivered in time for the year 2000 summer season. Letters of intent are currently held from two airlines, and the company is in discussions with a Middle Eastern government about setting up a new airline for them using L-1011s.
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The head janitor responds to allegations:
Username: Ceilidh
Posted 12-03-00 01:03 and read 1837 times.
Nope, I simply took a stand on this and various other issues - I asked Scotty and Freeboot to back up their allegations with proof (and sources) - they have been undable to do so. Freeboot has also been requested to disclose his identity. When they do these small things, I am happy to disclose whatever they want.
Next, perhaps you should ask yourself exactly what gives them (or anyone else with the exception of people with a direct financial or regulatory interest in the project) the right to demand personal details from anyone.
Now, how about dropping this whole thing until you see our first aircraft in the air?
Username: Ceilidh
Posted 12-03-00 01:03 and read 1837 times.
Nope, I simply took a stand on this and various other issues - I asked Scotty and Freeboot to back up their allegations with proof (and sources) - they have been undable to do so. Freeboot has also been requested to disclose his identity. When they do these small things, I am happy to disclose whatever they want.
Next, perhaps you should ask yourself exactly what gives them (or anyone else with the exception of people with a direct financial or regulatory interest in the project) the right to demand personal details from anyone.
Now, how about dropping this whole thing until you see our first aircraft in the air?
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Then the a lawyer responds, or could that also be the guy the cleans out the toilets at the local gay bar...
Username: Lawyergal
Posted 12-05-00 16:36 and read 1417 times.
I'm not involved in the Caledonian Wings project, but I am a keen aviator and also a commercial solicitor (lawyer) with a past involvement in libel cases.
I have reviewed the two articles, and it is very clear that there is no real story there other than that which the journalist is attempting to create. He refers to Mr Robertson as a 'conman' yet has neglected to detail who - and how - the alleged confidence trick is being perpetrated. This is a prior requisite for something to be labelled a 'con'.
Nor do I see anything in the least bit sinister about Delta not wishing to disclose who they are in negotiations with; nor is there anything suspicious in Mr Robertson's stated intention of purchasing an existing AOC. In any case, employees of the UK Civil Aviation Authority are bound by the Official Secrets Act and anyone disclosing who is - or is not - applying for certification is liable to prosecution under the Act.
The journalist admitted in his article that his headline in the latest article is without merit and was therefore effectively malicious as he had a quote from the police spokesman confirming that there was no evidence connecting Mr Robertson with the allegations.
It is highly significant that the woman named as being Mr Robertson's former fiance is not quoted - and indeed declined to comment - so there is no direct evidence of any of the allegations concerning her; merely hearsay; and that provided from unnamed 'friends' who are on the balance of probability likely to be the instigator(s) of the story.
In summary, there is within the stories, no substantiation or even independent corroboration whatsoever of any of the claims made by their author.
The paper that published these two stories is a tabloid with a long court history, having been sued more than 50 times this year alone.
I have looked at the profiles of the most prolific posters on this subject. Leaving aside Mr Robertson, who is understandably conerned at protecting his reputation and that of his start-up company, the most frequent posters are split into two categories:
a) students with no apparent commercial or airline experience (such as the instigator of this thread, MX5_boy, CPDC10-30 and eg777er) who seem to think that they could do this bigger, better, and faster than Mr Robertson - and question his credibility because he isn't doing it bigger, better, and faster; and
b) F_boot and Brissie_Lions, both of whom have consistently been attacking Mr Robertson yet have not been able to provide any independent corroboration of their allegations. I would even go so far as to agree with Lowfareair that it is indeed a definite possibility that F_boot and Brissie_Lions may well be one and the same person. From a legal point of view, both of these posters have gone over the boundary into libel on numerous occasion and Mr Robertson would therefore have legal recourse against them.
Interestingly, I note that the name of Mr Mike Snow has been mooted on another forum (www.pprune.org) as being F_boot. It is most interesting that Brissie_lions has leapt to his defence over the subject of the SAS23 username - I have checked the usernames on here, incidentally, together with all of the postings by SAS23 and nowhere can I find any indication at all that he is 'passing off' himself as Mr Snow.
Also of great interest is the email that purports to have been sent by (presumably) the author of the Sunday Mail articles to F_boot under the name of "Freeboot". Certainly, on checking F_boot's profile, I see that his given email address is the same as that on the alleged Sunday Mail email. It is a clear indication that this journalist has been following F_boot's postings and has realised that they have been unsubstantiated (and therefore under law are deemed to be malicious) yet has wanted F_boot to supply him with his "story". It appears from the tenor of his message, that he wishes to do damage to the Caledonian Wings project simply because it has received much acclaim in the local press.
Username: Lawyergal
Posted 12-05-00 16:36 and read 1417 times.
I'm not involved in the Caledonian Wings project, but I am a keen aviator and also a commercial solicitor (lawyer) with a past involvement in libel cases.
I have reviewed the two articles, and it is very clear that there is no real story there other than that which the journalist is attempting to create. He refers to Mr Robertson as a 'conman' yet has neglected to detail who - and how - the alleged confidence trick is being perpetrated. This is a prior requisite for something to be labelled a 'con'.
Nor do I see anything in the least bit sinister about Delta not wishing to disclose who they are in negotiations with; nor is there anything suspicious in Mr Robertson's stated intention of purchasing an existing AOC. In any case, employees of the UK Civil Aviation Authority are bound by the Official Secrets Act and anyone disclosing who is - or is not - applying for certification is liable to prosecution under the Act.
The journalist admitted in his article that his headline in the latest article is without merit and was therefore effectively malicious as he had a quote from the police spokesman confirming that there was no evidence connecting Mr Robertson with the allegations.
It is highly significant that the woman named as being Mr Robertson's former fiance is not quoted - and indeed declined to comment - so there is no direct evidence of any of the allegations concerning her; merely hearsay; and that provided from unnamed 'friends' who are on the balance of probability likely to be the instigator(s) of the story.
In summary, there is within the stories, no substantiation or even independent corroboration whatsoever of any of the claims made by their author.
The paper that published these two stories is a tabloid with a long court history, having been sued more than 50 times this year alone.
I have looked at the profiles of the most prolific posters on this subject. Leaving aside Mr Robertson, who is understandably conerned at protecting his reputation and that of his start-up company, the most frequent posters are split into two categories:
a) students with no apparent commercial or airline experience (such as the instigator of this thread, MX5_boy, CPDC10-30 and eg777er) who seem to think that they could do this bigger, better, and faster than Mr Robertson - and question his credibility because he isn't doing it bigger, better, and faster; and
b) F_boot and Brissie_Lions, both of whom have consistently been attacking Mr Robertson yet have not been able to provide any independent corroboration of their allegations. I would even go so far as to agree with Lowfareair that it is indeed a definite possibility that F_boot and Brissie_Lions may well be one and the same person. From a legal point of view, both of these posters have gone over the boundary into libel on numerous occasion and Mr Robertson would therefore have legal recourse against them.
Interestingly, I note that the name of Mr Mike Snow has been mooted on another forum (www.pprune.org) as being F_boot. It is most interesting that Brissie_lions has leapt to his defence over the subject of the SAS23 username - I have checked the usernames on here, incidentally, together with all of the postings by SAS23 and nowhere can I find any indication at all that he is 'passing off' himself as Mr Snow.
Also of great interest is the email that purports to have been sent by (presumably) the author of the Sunday Mail articles to F_boot under the name of "Freeboot". Certainly, on checking F_boot's profile, I see that his given email address is the same as that on the alleged Sunday Mail email. It is a clear indication that this journalist has been following F_boot's postings and has realised that they have been unsubstantiated (and therefore under law are deemed to be malicious) yet has wanted F_boot to supply him with his "story". It appears from the tenor of his message, that he wishes to do damage to the Caledonian Wings project simply because it has received much acclaim in the local press.
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Well, moderators. What are we supposed to make of this post?
The original poster appears to wish to reply to his own thread on at least two subsequent occasions. The entirety of the thread is quite bizarre, as we have come to expect with anything to do with The Guvnor.
Are we, then, to understand from these postings above that anyone who has anything critical to say with respect to The Guvnor must take it that they are under consideration for legal action on the grounds of libel?
The heading suggests that the thread is a vehicle for pilot recruitment. Its content is somewhat far removed from that.
I respectfully suggest that this thread in its entirety be put to a speedy rest.
The original poster appears to wish to reply to his own thread on at least two subsequent occasions. The entirety of the thread is quite bizarre, as we have come to expect with anything to do with The Guvnor.
Are we, then, to understand from these postings above that anyone who has anything critical to say with respect to The Guvnor must take it that they are under consideration for legal action on the grounds of libel?
The heading suggests that the thread is a vehicle for pilot recruitment. Its content is somewhat far removed from that.
I respectfully suggest that this thread in its entirety be put to a speedy rest.
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tilii,
The posts from LittleBubba have already appeared on this site as a search will show. They are taken from another bulletin board and have nothing to do with PPRuNe.
While Bubba Minor has every right to his opinion he has now taken to spamming this site by throwing this stuff onto other, perfertly worthwhile threads.
We look forward to hearing from LittleBubba regarding this by private e-mail.
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The posts from LittleBubba have already appeared on this site as a search will show. They are taken from another bulletin board and have nothing to do with PPRuNe.
While Bubba Minor has every right to his opinion he has now taken to spamming this site by throwing this stuff onto other, perfertly worthwhile threads.
We look forward to hearing from LittleBubba regarding this by private e-mail.
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Regards from the Towers
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