Pay to fly a320
 

I hope he gets scammed

luai, what we are all trying to say is this. NEVER, EVER, pay for your job. Let them pay you. There is enough of a shortage of pilots now that these companies need to learn they have to provide proper compensation if they expect to do business. Making pilots pay for their position is ridiculous and demeaning. Don't demean yourself. Shop around and find a job that pays you to be there.

Luai

When pilots like you P2F especially in todays times when there are more jobs than pilots you drag down everybody's compensation and future earnings. If all you desperate youngsters would just be patient like us older guys had to do, go do some charter work on Caravans and King Airs etc the airlines would be forced to raise salaries significantly as well as pay for the TR and stop charging for interviews or forcing people to pay for their own flights and hotels to interview.

If you choose to be patient and support your fellow pilots then believe me you will be rewarded in good time. P2F is a humiliating experience that should not be allowed and those on the line that did it properly will not respect you one ounce, nor should they.

Luai or is it Louie,

I know what you're trying to do, you are trying to look for opportunities, to buy the experience on an A320,
then use that experience, to get a proper paying job.

It's your choice and decision to do that, but something you have to understand, going down this road, is expensive and it's going to cost, lot's of money.

First you have to get an A320 type rating in your license, the simulator only, costs up to 30 to 40, 000 USD,
This cost may include the 6 circuit, take offs and landings.

Getting an A320 type rating in your license, with only, light general aviation twin aircraft experience after pilot training, can be a nightmare of an expense, as you aren't airline sponsored and you have to pay for all expenses yourself.
Be careful of this type of expense.

Anyway, if you did have an A320 type rating in your license, i suggest you look at the SkyAngkor website/Cambodia, they had an advertisement, under news,
in 2015,the advertisement it's still there, looking for 6 cadet pilots, CPL/IR/A320 type Rating, offering line flying up to 500 hours, you would be employed from 500 to 1,000 hours.
Total cost was $56K USD, plus your own accommodation and,meals.
I don't know if they still accept new pilots to pay2fly, there's an email there, which can be sent to recruitment.

Reading other posts (you can find it), the operator in Vietnam, wanted $50K USD, before doing the simulator check.

Unless you are super rich or you don't mind giving strangers 50 to 56K USD, into a bank account, to people you never met, i don't recommend you try this,
pay2fly, unless you first meet the company and people you're going to deal with.

All the people that are attacking you on this thread, come from a first world aviation country and have airline pilot jobs, they don't understand your circumstances.

But you have to understand, this adventure costs over $100K with a type rating and pay2fly, also you cannot be sure the people at these companies, will train
you properly.

It's all a big risk, but if you got the money (no bank loans), at least, get properly trained in your A320 type rating.

All the best

Who the hell you think you are to say what we do or don't understand about this guy circumstances. This guy is looking for a job in the aviation industry's best moment since 9/11. Those are this guy circumstances.

The rest of us, the pilots who are now well respected (and well payed) professionals, holding Captain positions in medium or widebody jets, came to where we are now by overcoming our very own set or circumstances: 9/11, SARS, war in Irak and Afghanistan, the 2008 credit crunch (aviation's worst moment since WW2), and posterior worlwide 10 years Great Recession (or whatever way you spell it), and yet we didn't pay. We didn't bribe our way in. We studied, acquired experience, prepare ourselves, endured never ending recruitment process, interviews and screening sims, and became better professionals. Something that seems to be out of reach for you and your generation. Keep buring your head in the sand. We all know where you guys come from, we all know which are the P2F airlines and, sincerely, there will be no place for your kind in any self respected company in the future.

Zero simpathy.

And your point being CAPTAIN??

Pilots are also paying big time to get upgraded to Captain. Same excuse: "This is the market now", "I have no choice if I want to progress in my career", etc...

Pointles and unnecessary. No need to pay. Many of us have achieved our goals (Captain, LTC, TRI, whatever...) without paying. If you are trying to steer my post into me thinking that I'm a skygod for being a CAPTAIN then don't, and if that is the only thing you can infer from my diatribe then this whole industry is broken beyind repair.

100% spot on iggy. Problem is the young generation feels a sense of entitlement ("millennials" ?) and there is no will to work their way into the flight deck of a 320 or 737 anymore. They do not see the big picture and do not care about ruining the industry and damaging the already damaged profession. P2F or PayforUgrade, it's all about them and money talks.

I think this was the best explanation given. Spot on !

Luai
 

You have no idea how much we hate people like you!

Would it also be fair to say that anyone who does p2f pretty much prices themselves out of a job anywhere else?

You might think that you'd be happy in a 320 for the rest of your life in a low cost Asian carrier who can easily bend fatigue and safety rules at their whim, who can easily continue to ask for payments for advancement in the company.

Oh, but you're flying an A320, so it will all be worth it, right? It will never feel like a daily grind, because you're in a jet, right? Maybe even you'll dread your days off, because the jet is where you're happiest?

Let's not mention if you want your kids educated in English, suddenly the cheap country gets prohibitively expensive, all the while you keep paying bribes to keep sitting in your jet.

I'm sure the pollution, heat, noise, traffic and bribery will all be worth it in the end. We all know that the 320 isn't just a big Cessna, it's not just a flying bus. It's a source of eternal happiness and fulfillment, even at the expense of your own dignity, cash, health and professional standards.

Clearly a troll. Absolute moron if he isn't.