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Old 27th Oct 2018, 19:35
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Pay to fly a320

Hello
I'm looking for a company who accept pilots with low hours ? And company doing a320 line training with job offer ?
Cheers
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 07:50
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If you want to pay to fly, go to a flight school / flying club. Plenty of aircraft for rental.
Being an airline pilot is a JOB, where you are the one getting paid. It is a job that needs to be taken seriously. You don't rent a 320 to go for a ride like you would with a car.
We, professional pilots, are fed up with clowns buying their seat.
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 13:11
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Luai, you can pay me the money and Iíll give you some 320 line training. Itís all Kosher. I promise.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 04:44
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Be careful , many scammers out there .
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 06:14
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Now what a novel idea, an Aeroclub with an A320!

It would make for a great weekend fly away...

Now which club?
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 01:32
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I hope he gets scammed
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 01:46
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luai, what we are all trying to say is this. NEVER, EVER, pay for your job. Let them pay you. There is enough of a shortage of pilots now that these companies need to learn they have to provide proper compensation if they expect to do business. Making pilots pay for their position is ridiculous and demeaning. Don't demean yourself. Shop around and find a job that pays you to be there.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 07:52
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Luai

When pilots like you P2F especially in todays times when there are more jobs than pilots you drag down everybody's compensation and future earnings. If all you desperate youngsters would just be patient like us older guys had to do, go do some charter work on Caravans and King Airs etc the airlines would be forced to raise salaries significantly as well as pay for the TR and stop charging for interviews or forcing people to pay for their own flights and hotels to interview.

If you choose to be patient and support your fellow pilots then believe me you will be rewarded in good time. P2F is a humiliating experience that should not be allowed and those on the line that did it properly will not respect you one ounce, nor should they.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 08:35
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Originally Posted by luai View Post
Hello
I'm looking for a company who accept pilots with low hours ? And company doing a320 line training with job offer ?
Cheers

Luai or is it Louie,

I know what you're trying to do, you are trying to look for opportunities, to buy the experience on an A320,
then use that experience, to get a proper paying job.

It's your choice and decision to do that, but something you have to understand, going down this road, is expensive and it's going to cost, lot's of money.

First you have to get an A320 type rating in your license, the simulator only, costs up to 30 to 40, 000 USD,
This cost may include the 6 circuit, take offs and landings.

Getting an A320 type rating in your license, with only, light general aviation twin aircraft experience after pilot training, can be a nightmare of an expense, as you aren't airline sponsored and you have to pay for all expenses yourself.
Be careful of this type of expense.

Anyway, if you did have an A320 type rating in your license, i suggest you look at the SkyAngkor website/Cambodia, they had an advertisement, under news,
in 2015,the advertisement it's still there, looking for 6 cadet pilots, CPL/IR/A320 type Rating, offering line flying up to 500 hours, you would be employed from 500 to 1,000 hours.
Total cost was $56K USD, plus your own accommodation and,meals.
I don't know if they still accept new pilots to pay2fly, there's an email there, which can be sent to recruitment.

Reading other posts (you can find it), the operator in Vietnam, wanted $50K USD, before doing the simulator check.

Unless you are super rich or you don't mind giving strangers 50 to 56K USD, into a bank account, to people you never met, i don't recommend you try this,
pay2fly, unless you first meet the company and people you're going to deal with.

All the people that are attacking you on this thread, come from a first world aviation country and have airline pilot jobs, they don't understand your circumstances.

But you have to understand, this adventure costs over $100K with a type rating and pay2fly, also you cannot be sure the people at these companies, will train
you properly.

It's all a big risk, but if you got the money (no bank loans), at least, get properly trained in your A320 type rating.

All the best
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Seagull201 View Post
All the people that are attacking you on this thread, come from a first world aviation country and have airline pilot jobs, they don't understand your circumstances.
Who the hell you think you are to say what we do or don't understand about this guy circumstances. This guy is looking for a job in the aviation industry's best moment since 9/11. Those are this guy circumstances.

The rest of us, the pilots who are now well respected (and well payed) professionals, holding Captain positions in medium or widebody jets, came to where we are now by overcoming our very own set or circumstances: 9/11, SARS, war in Irak and Afghanistan, the 2008 credit crunch (aviation's worst moment since WW2), and posterior worlwide 10 years Great Recession (or whatever way you spell it), and yet we didn't pay. We didn't bribe our way in. We studied, acquired experience, prepare ourselves, endured never ending recruitment process, interviews and screening sims, and became better professionals. Something that seems to be out of reach for you and your generation. Keep buring your head in the sand. We all know where you guys come from, we all know which are the P2F airlines and, sincerely, there will be no place for your kind in any self respected company in the future.

Zero simpathy.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 11:45
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Originally Posted by iggy View Post
Who the hell you think you are to say what we do or don't understand about this guy circumstances. This guy is looking for a job in the aviation industry's best moment since 9/11. Those are this guy circumstances.

The rest of us, the pilots who are now well respected (and well payed) professionals, holding Captain positions in medium or widebody jets, came to where we are now by overcoming our very own set or circumstances: 9/11, SARS, war in Irak and Afghanistan, the 2008 credit crunch (aviation's worst moment since WW2), and posterior worlwide 10 years Great Recession (or whatever way you spell it), and yet we didn't pay. We didn't bribe our way in. We studied, acquired experience, prepare ourselves, endured never ending recruitment process, interviews and screening sims, and became better professionals. Something that seems to be out of reach for you and your generation. Keep buring your head in the sand. We all know where you guys come from, we all know which are the P2F airlines and, sincerely, there will be no place for your kind in any self respected company in the future.

Zero simpathy.
And your point being CAPTAIN??
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 12:12
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And your point being CAPTAIN??
Pilots are also paying big time to get upgraded to Captain. Same excuse: "This is the market now", "I have no choice if I want to progress in my career", etc...

Pointles and unnecessary. No need to pay. Many of us have achieved our goals (Captain, LTC, TRI, whatever...) without paying. If you are trying to steer my post into me thinking that I'm a skygod for being a CAPTAIN then don't, and if that is the only thing you can infer from my diatribe then this whole industry is broken beyind repair.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 13:36
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Originally Posted by iggy View Post
Who the hell you think you are to say what we do or don't understand about this guy circumstances. This guy is looking for a job in the aviation industry's best moment since 9/11. Those are this guy circumstances.

The rest of us, the pilots who are now well respected (and well payed) professionals, holding Captain positions in medium or widebody jets, came to where we are now by overcoming our very own set or circumstances: 9/11, SARS, war in Irak and Afghanistan, the 2008 credit crunch (aviation's worst moment since WW2), and posterior worlwide 10 years Great Recession (or whatever way you spell it), and yet we didn't pay. We didn't bribe our way in. We studied, acquired experience, prepare ourselves, endured never ending recruitment process, interviews and screening sims, and became better professionals. Something that seems to be out of reach for you and your generation. Keep buring your head in the sand. We all know where you guys come from, we all know which are the P2F airlines and, sincerely, there will be no place for your kind in any self respected company in the future.

Zero simpathy.
100% spot on iggy. Problem is the young generation feels a sense of entitlement ("millennials" ?) and there is no will to work their way into the flight deck of a 320 or 737 anymore. They do not see the big picture and do not care about ruining the industry and damaging the already damaged profession. P2F or PayforUgrade, it's all about them and money talks.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 15:33
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Guys/gals..I think you've been well and truely wound up.."taken the bait"!
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 12:48
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Originally Posted by Seagull201 View Post
Luai or is it Louie,

I know what you're trying to do, you are trying to look for opportunities, to buy the experience on an A320,
then use that experience, to get a proper paying job.

It's your choice and decision to do that, but something you have to understand, going down this road, is expensive and it's going to cost, lot's of money.

First you have to get an A320 type rating in your license, the simulator only, costs up to 30 to 40, 000 USD,
This cost may include the 6 circuit, take offs and landings.

Getting an A320 type rating in your license, with only, light general aviation twin aircraft experience after pilot training, can be a nightmare of an expense, as you aren't airline sponsored and you have to pay for all expenses yourself.
Be careful of this type of expense.

Anyway, if you did have an A320 type rating in your license, i suggest you look at the SkyAngkor website/Cambodia, they had an advertisement, under news,
in 2015,the advertisement it's still there, looking for 6 cadet pilots, CPL/IR/A320 type Rating, offering line flying up to 500 hours, you would be employed from 500 to 1,000 hours.
Total cost was $56K USD, plus your own accommodation and,meals.
I don't know if they still accept new pilots to pay2fly, there's an email there, which can be sent to recruitment.

Reading other posts (you can find it), the operator in Vietnam, wanted $50K USD, before doing the simulator check.

Unless you are super rich or you don't mind giving strangers 50 to 56K USD, into a bank account, to people you never met, i don't recommend you try this,
pay2fly, unless you first meet the company and people you're going to deal with.

All the people that are attacking you on this thread, come from a first world aviation country and have airline pilot jobs, they don't understand your circumstances.

But you have to understand, this adventure costs over $100K with a type rating and pay2fly, also you cannot be sure the people at these companies, will train
you properly.

It's all a big risk, but if you got the money (no bank loans), at least, get properly trained in your A320 type rating.

All the best
I think this was the best explanation given. Spot on !
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 19:37
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Luai

You have no idea how much we hate people like you!
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 04:12
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let me clarify something to those whom are attacking this guy. The airline industry is SHORT thatís no secret but itís a by the law, by CAA that a certain airline CANNOT hire a direct entry pilot without having the minimum requirement of 500 line hours on type. The airline is short YET they are not hiring someone just type rated or non rated with hours but on any single or multi engine turbo prop simply because training COSTS a lot of money and time and they need someone who is READY unless heís a citizen of a certain country he/she will be lucky to get the whole ab-initio program(like me). I was sponsored by the national flag career of my country being a citizen and paid no bond, got rated and been flying the 320 since 2015.




Thats been said, he pays money to get a job or not, itís none of your business. Either he pays to fly or he burns his money, itís his money itís absolutely none of anyoneís business. If you donít have anything good to tell him, guide him, advise him, then simply zip it.




Anyways Luai, there is Vietjet but itís through an agency and the waiting list is huge and you will have to pay around USD125,000 as last I was told by a friend of mine, if you are an EU citizen and hold an EASA CPL with a A320 endorsement or 737, you can try with wizz air, easy jet, Ryan air, Tarom(in Romania) and few other low cost careers in Europe, they do the pay to fly. Other than that, there isnít much options unless you are financially good and will wait for your turn in vietjet.




P.S:- be aware, there are a lot of scam agencies and third party individuals who want a piece of the cake(your money). If you need any help or questions or anything message me privately.
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 11:40
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Do not ever complain that your wages are so low

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Old 16th Dec 2018, 12:46
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Originally Posted by AMN View Post
Thats been said, he pays money to get a job or not, itís none of your business. Either he pays to fly or he burns his money, itís his money itís absolutely none of anyoneís business. If you donít have anything good to tell him, guide him, advise him, then simply zip it.
1) As a professionnal pilot, it becomes my business as these short-sighted people contribute to lower the conditions in the whole industry, therefore MY conditions

2) As a paying passenger, it is also my business as I want my pilots to be seated in the front because they went through some kind of selection process, not because they gave a check

3) This is a public forum, so I will not "zip it" (I understand you may not be familiar with freedom of speech in Bahrain?)
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 13:23
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Would it also be fair to say that anyone who does p2f pretty much prices themselves out of a job anywhere else?

You might think that you'd be happy in a 320 for the rest of your life in a low cost Asian carrier who can easily bend fatigue and safety rules at their whim, who can easily continue to ask for payments for advancement in the company.

Oh, but you're flying an A320, so it will all be worth it, right? It will never feel like a daily grind, because you're in a jet, right? Maybe even you'll dread your days off, because the jet is where you're happiest?

Let's not mention if you want your kids educated in English, suddenly the cheap country gets prohibitively expensive, all the while you keep paying bribes to keep sitting in your jet.

I'm sure the pollution, heat, noise, traffic and bribery will all be worth it in the end. We all know that the 320 isn't just a big Cessna, it's not just a flying bus. It's a source of eternal happiness and fulfillment, even at the expense of your own dignity, cash, health and professional standards.
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