Lion air stops recruiting through eagle jet
 

Lion air finally decided to stop taking anymore pilots through Eagle jet.

Hi - where did you hear this? Thanks

I sincerely hope the news is true:D.

Perhaps Lion Air has come to their senses and decided not to hire pilots with such a lack of respect of themselves that would even entertain paying for their jobs:ok:.

Don't celebrate just yet. Maybe business has been transferred to a local agent. :D

All the people who paid to eagle jet for type ratings to goto lion air basically have been royally scr3w3d!!!

Type with no time, join the cueeee

Lion got a steady stream of brown low self esteem Indians then why shall they hire snobbish Europeans and Americans who keep demanding things. Indians just shake their head up n down and say yes to all they are asked to do...!! :eek:

Wow - what's your source? Eagle and Lion seemed like a happy combo not so long ago!

Oh so sad:{ to bad:*. Gotta an issue get a tissue:mad:.

I do feel just a wee bit sad, again, just a wee bit sad, for the parents who wasted their hard earned money so their children could take a most undeserved short cut to the cockpit of a shiny jet.

Oh well, you know what they say... tuition comes at a very hight price.

Back to the old way of doing things... they gotta earn their way into the right seat.

Its a bit hard to believe that Lion air has stopped Eaglejet guys because of MSD aviation supplying pilots to them?

It is easy to figure out why coz MSD guys are cheaper to them.. Plus the amount of guys coming through MSD fulfills their requirement for RHS

It is true

eagle jet
 

Its not trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.eagle jet got new contract with lion air which is cheaper than others for airline and P2F guys.Who ever started this he must be rival of EJ or just unsuccessfull guy.God bless him.


Monkey started dancing and we all dancing with monkey....:ugh:

Everything has stopped in lion due to the fact to the lack of instructors at this present time... All instructor have there exceed there hours for the year and cant be bothered to teach and fly single pilot on jet any more this year:E

Come on guys... enjoy your last christmas and New Year with your family and loved ones... after you join Lion no more Christmas for sometime to come...and Loved ones..well you get new loved ones here in Jakarta to spend your new life and christmas with...:ok:

BTW the Indian p2F is for 3years and you get 2000usd (salary NOT incl flt pay) only. the rest of the money SOMEBODY keep..:mad: so you fly 110+ hrs for free for 3 years... so Eaglejet is not so bad after all. hahaha.. aleast you can walk away...after 500hrs or a year so chose...

Be patient guys.. Lion wants your money...:ok: Until next year then...

Guys don't pay any monies to Stephane or Howard.. Lion will not be taking anymore guys through Eaglejet...!!! Don't say that you were not warned!!!

We know there are delays and will be but EJ have revised their agreement with Lion only a few weeks ago. The new deal is 2 years inclusive of 500 hours on the line. Waiting period of between 3-6 months.

@ Nasigoreng

Could you please highlight what evidence you have to back up this claim that Lion Air are no longer accepting pilots from Eaglejet? To be honest this surprises me as judging from your previous entries you have been saying this sort of thing since October but the intake of pilots from Eaglejet has been constant since then.

One other thing that seems to disprove your theory is that I have a good friend of mine who is starting on the program on Monday. He was told the terms and conditions of the program have changed slightly concerning the price and waiting time but that is it.

Seems like you are trying to rock the boat for some reason..

Hi guys ,
Am here in Jakarta currently and to be honest it's not as bad as people say... You can make it hard for yourself if you come here with an arrogant I knowit all attitude but if you stay levelheaded and show them some interest they will treat you with respect and you will enjoy it.

I understand that the contract has changed with eagle but that's just business and I am sorry to say it's happening all over.

I also respect those of you with the opinion against pay to fly... But I suppose that is everyone's own decision , and talking from personal experience it's not an easy one.

You get to fly some great kit and your getting a lot of hours in short space of time and that's important.plus you do get some time of to enjoy indo, just maybe not as much as you might at home.

I expect to get some negative replies but I really don't care I'm happy here and I happy with the decision I have made. I have met some great friends.

All the best:ok:

To Photo 1 and all the other P2F’ers. Someday you will be having a meal with other pilots who earned their way into the cockpit the old fashioned way…. no short cuts… just plain hard honest work, building legitimate hours to earn their right in the right seat… no bribes or tapping the family treasury to buy one’s way into the cockpit.

Of course one of the legitimate pilots will ask you the ultimate question. “So Photo 1… where did you do your training, and did you build your hours.” Gulp… will you have the courage to admit that you bribed your way into the cockpit by paying a training organization for jet time? Or are you going to exclude the fact that you were one of those who continue to keep the bar low and prevent the improvement in terms and conditions for our profession?

The P2F stigma does not disappear so easily. The world of aviation is a very small one at that. Your baggage will follow you no matter where you go. Someday, you will apply for a job with a carrier. You will be included in the selection process with other low timers. Perhaps your fellow low timers may have little or no jet time. Anyway during the interview, and explain how you obtained your jet time with such low time. You can’t lie, especially during an interview. Trust me, it won’t take a rocket scientist to figure out you were one of the P2F’ers. Whether you fess up during the interview or the record background check your prospective airline will conduct. I’ll bet a month’s salary you will be out and the low timer in. Most carriers want honest hard working pilots who appreciate the value of their airman certificates.

Lets fast forward into the future. Let’s assume you manage to get on with a carrier. All the shine and buff has worn off, and you are feeling less than content with your position, pay, terms and conditions. You are pissed off because your airline wants to increase your productivity from 80 to 95 hours per month with no pay increase. Further your airline wants to reduce your annual leave from 4 to 2 weeks per year. Your airline wants to cut back on medical and retirement benefits. And all you do is just grumble. Well, take a good long look in the mirror and ask who is responsible for such crappy treatment. The answer is in the same mirror. Remember Photo 1, we are now in the future. That said go back to 2011 when you wanted to sidestep the normal route to the cockpit and P2F. Remember how the training organization your parents paid good money to and how the airlines exploited you and others like you. Now you have the answer as to why terms and conditions within our industry are on the decline… The P2f’ers are a major part of the problem. And that’s why you can’t expect other pilots who earned they way into the cockpit to really respect you. Oh, they’ll probably talk to you, but you’ll carry the P2F’er label wherever you go.

Follow your heart and your conscience.

You Guys are hilarious ! Especially you captajns. you’ll carry the P2F’er label wherever you go???
Wauw, you said that nicely, how long did you manage to think about that. So a better pilot would be somebody sitting 5 years at home doing nothing in times with few jobs available.. Remember who started all this P2F... Yes, the 2 major airliners of Europe.... And many of them are settled already in the World's leading Airliners,, And do they carry a P2F tag when they are having a meal with colleagues ? NO ! They are just ambitious with passion to fly... That it took you years to find a job, no doubt, otherwise you wouldn't even spend time on this forum, but calling P2F people wrong.... yeah right... Keep on going... Fantastic !!! :mad:

Spiderfly... it's one thing to pay for a type rating as the lads do with Ryanair and EZJet. However, when they start their training, they get paid after the safety pilot is released.

Now with Lion Air... not only do these children pay for their type ratings, they also pay to sit in the right seat of a jet. Major difference.

There are those with ethics that do not promote, nor endorse such a program.

Just imagine for a minute Spiderfly, just one minute. Imagine if all potential P2Frs refused to participate in such a scheme. What do you think Lion Air would be forced to do?

I don't know who long you've in involved in aviation, but in my 36 years plus flying for carriers all over the world, I've seen terms and conditions decline. Probably more so in the US than anywhere else. And why??? because there are boneheads willing not only to fly for free, but pay to fly as evinced by the Lion Air scheme!!!

I`ve turned down an offer from Lion air as a TRI because of their exploitation of those naive puppies thinking they will have job security after the terms and conditions have been satisfied.

It's just plane bad, wrong, and amoral, and against goes against the principles of those who have earned their way into the cockpit.

As I said, I have no argument about signing a training bond, or even paying for a type rating... but paying to sit in the right seat during revenue operations??? that's just plain evil!

BTW Spiderfly, I don't quite understand your statement I have been on someone else`s nickel after I was hired by the airlines as far as type ratings are concerned.

GOOOOOOD NEWS..kids...
 

I just heard there are 20 guys arriving at lion on the 19th DEC.. 10 guys from Eaglejet and 10 guys from MSD.


There you go.. all ready for next year ground school..:ok:

This is the last eagle jet batch... None planned for the new year and lion already has informed that they do not need anymore. Please don't ask me for the source coz I won't tell. And eagle only may provide captains but I don't think eagle has any captains. So there you have it guys.. Don't go buying ratings for eaglejet coz you will be stuck with a rating and no hours. :)

Like I predicted there is always someone that's against it, but I've noticed that most people that are against p2f are from an older generation and probably still stuck with the I have had it so hard time sympathy chip on their shoulder.

there is not much difference between the Ryanair and the easy jets and the eagle jets. It does not make you a worse pilot paying for your own training because most of us are uk trained, and let me add trained by the most established training centres.

I am certainly not ashamed to tell anyone that I had to pay for my own training. And also the cheek of some individual to persume that everyone doing this is well off or got their parents to pay for it shows a lack in intelligence and quite frankly not worth the time of day...

Have A nice day everyone..:8

Regardless of how much money one has to throw at these programs, you still have to prove yourself as a professional pilot. If not then you will lose money and be bitter. People are out for themselves, this is the world we live in. P2F in many different forms including line training is here to stay. Jetjockey is right and although that was the last batch of 2011, there will be more in 2012 when positions arise.

got the same mail...what do u think the fee will be??

Where do you guys get this info?

Flygosh. you pay 33k USD include (screeening test..aptitude test) plus $100 for him intro fee.. price might go up next year... supply and demand...

If you're trying to get into Sriwijaya through FlyG, you're paying a premium.

Save yourself a few thousand USD, and contact the office in Jakarta.

Better yet, fly down personally and speak with the good people there.

Last I checked, it should be USD29K for the TR to fly their B737CL.

Cheers!

Eagle jet, Lion Air price hike
 

Grrrrr just when I save the 26,500,..The devil bounces the price back to 33,500 hmmm in the spirit of Indo I am wondering if we can negotiate lol

Has anyone actually confirmed with Eaglejet that this rumor is true?

Or is this just simply a case of people making up rumors?

hi tigerstripes. 29k was the old price and they have now increase to 32k. But as far as i know that is for CPL holders.

No point going to jakarta as they wont entertain us, one of my mate met the operation director as was told to go to fly gosh.

They are getting 4 738NG next year and understand that the price will be much lower for us rated guys.Eagle has increase to 33.5k and a whopping USD55k for CPL holder and yet we have to fly for free for 500 hours and only then there will be a 1 year contract which I heard is not even guranteed.

With a 3 year contract from Sri Wijaya, by far the best deal around and by that time we can get 2700 hours on type.

I am pretty sure price will increase again since demand is more than supply and Indonesia is where the next pilot heaven is for us. I'll just grab whatever opportunity that comes in my way. Better than sit at home being jobless and let our blue book expire to become a piece of toilet paper.

Mr Adeash,

Read my post again. I never said anything about Eagle, or USD 55K. (You are refering to LionAir)

I only wrote about Sriwijaya Air.

You want to know why i'm so sure of myself? Its because i'm in Jakarta, and you're not. Have you tried coming to Jakarta and knocking on doors looking for a job? I don't think so.

You expect the Indonesian airlines to get back to you just because you have a CPL/MECIR/ATPL or are type rated? Dream on. There are many more pilots like you who think the whole world owes you a job.

I can tell you so because I have 2 fellow batch trainees who got into the airline because they persevered and persisted, eventually coming to Jakarta to speak with HR and management personally.


TigerStripes.

Wow..... i see Eagle jet are pushing the price up again ($39500 from $26500) and the opportunity:rolleyes: to be away from home soil for 4 years now, plus expenses, how greedy do they get??
I know for sure that this has pushed many people out of the loop and wasted peoples money in paying for ratings with the hope of spending the last of there hard earn cash on getting a job. :ugh:

Let's get real folks... it more like Mommy and Daddy's money. No bank in their right mind is going to issue a loan for flight training given the fact most students don't have the collateral to support such loan.

Eagle Jet Strikes Again!!
 

Eagle Jet is now offering 500 hour line training program for Lion Air and 4 year guaranteed employement for 4 years at $2300 a month!
For those pilots who wanna pay to go to work it's $39,000+....:ugh:
For pilots who support these programs, it's very sad... Pay your dues and stop letting these companies use and abuse you!

To resign before the contract we need USD100000?Are you kidding me?

39 K plus our living expense and rating will take us more than USD70k++

They think we are money printing machines heh

Just continue to lower the bar folks... go right ahead. Mom and Dad's good money down the $hitter:ugh:... if only the parent knew the true story.

Sadly True
 

Sadly true !! when i started the type rating ( with TRTO indicated from them ) was 26.5K and 5/6 weeks to start after Type Rated.... Ive been waitnng now from September and price is 39.5K 4 years legally committed !! i have no choise, the alternative is stay with a 737 type and nothing to do with that !!
please don't answer telling me i told you ...

WoW
 

Lion air will become great, Asia is booming ! Great opportunity to make many flying hours !!!! Happy new year @ All

So what do you think guys and gals after reading bereaufly's lament? Still think it's worth mom and dad's money? Still think mom and dad would have laid out the bazookums had they known how much money these scams actually cost?

Do you think programs ala Lion Air add to the quality of terms and conditions to our profession? If so... please enlighten us as to why you think so.

Come on folks at least with a professional pleasure provider, (may not be able to write hooker on these threads), there's usually a happy ending... no???