de facto

agree with you on your standards however what standards are the chinese trying to set?

one standard for the expat captain and another for their local captains? and it does show. certainly within my previous airline. if they are trying to upgrade their own standards then do so but not with a job interview.

are they trying to weed out everyone to make their own captains look good? another possibility.

And what about the Chinese FO who smoke on the flight deck and complain
to there respective CP if you dont like it on top of that DE Facto?

I go to Beijing about once a month. ATC is terrible due mainly to terrible English proficiency of controllers, and the use of Chinese with Chinese pilots most of the time so that the rest of us don't know what is going on. Having to convert every altitude assignment from meters to feet and having multiple step down altitude assignments combined with terrible English proficiency and challenging communications really does significantly increase workload and negatively impact safety.

This article is interesting on the corporate side, and the quote from an informed Chinese professional at the end of the article says it all:

Chinese millionaires' sky-high ambitions - CNN.com

China Needs Experienced Expat Captains
 

GoforIt:
going there properly prepared an approach into PEK is not worse than CDG or MAD. Part of the communication is in a foreign language and we won't change that .
Copi/CPT smoking? All depends on your CRM abilities ;-))
If I am in a good mood I visit the toilet in the meantime, if not, no smoking rules exist in any Chinese Airline (AFAIK)

Was in PEK a couple weeks back area controller needed some work but the App guy was very good

Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Been to both of those airports many times as well as the rest of the EU. China is it's own animal. The quality of ATC you get from day to day varies widely. One day I was working with an American Approach controller, and then was handed off to a tower controller that was almost impossible to understand. As the Chinese girl quoted in the article referenced admitted, "Chinese aviation is 30-40 years behind the US."

agency
 

From Experience stay way from Brookfield, worst of the worst. They only look after the interest of the airline and not you.

This is true of ALL the contractors. Who pays the contractor? Who is their customer? It isn't you. They look after the interests of the one paying their fees.

The only contractors I know who have a very good reputation are the ones who limit their clients to those few airlines that take good care of their pilots.

air china europe based
 

Hello gents,

I am thinking of applying to airchina as cpt on the 330.
They offer base in europe.
Is there anybody out there that can give me some more infos?

Thanks

Flare

Quote: "going there properly prepared"
 

May I ask, does "going there properly prepared" apply to Chinese crews?
You may care to view the YouTube link below to example the Chinese definition of "prepared" and their sham English Level 4 qualification.

YouTube - Funny Air China And JFK ATC- Kinetic Typography-AntonyTh

Of course, those of you in China will not be able to view this YouTube link due to censorship/control issues - "control" being the key word!

TT

"going there prepared"
 

In my post I referred to ATC communication and I stand by my comment that it is comparable to going into SVO,MAD;CDG not that I think the additional workload is making it safer.
Concerning the abilities of my fellow pilots to express themselves in English:
Some of them are eager to learn, some of them are indifferent , some don' t care. There are great guys here and then there are others, like everywhere.
But most of my colleagues come from military background or flew only domestic up to a few years back and did not have to know English (hard to believe). Now (older) Captains,who do not pass the test, are gradually kept out of PEK airspace and sent to the provinces (dont think that helps that much) but PEK and Shanghai sectors should gradually become English only. Thats the plan...but then we are in China....
And youtube...got to wait for my next sector,you are right:ouch: