China Needs Experienced Expat Captains
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Flying jobs in China require experienced Expat Captains
China needs experienced expat Captains, due to phenomenal growth in the Aviation Industry.
I have been employed, in China, as a Boeing 737-800/700 Captain 3.5 years, for Shanghai Airlines.
China has been good to me.
Google:
Brookfield Aviation - David George
Direct Personnel - Shane Pollard or Claire Doyle
IAC - Roy Wheatley
PARC Aviation - Padraic Toolan
Rishworth Aviation - Kim Bell
Get your logbooks up-to-date, police clearances, no accident/incident report, before you entertain applying . . . as the paperwork processing required takes time, but not as much, if you are prepared. Maybe took me three months. If you do not have ICAO English Level 4 or Level 6 appended to your ATPL, get it before you come.
The ATPL Written Exam does have a 70% failure rate, so you must study. This is not an all expenses paid holiday. Come prepared.
The Simulator Assessment is straight forward: Crew Resource Management and Resource Management -based, expect Stall Series, Steep Turns (suggest using FPV on the horizon, make it easier on yourself), Cabin Altitude Warning/Rapid Decompression/Emergency Descent, Visual Pattern with Strong Crosswinds (given in Meters/Second), Normal ILS (hand flown, with no Flight Director), Non-precision Approach (hand flown no Flight Director), maybe an N1 Overspeed during takeoff, Low Speed/High Thrust Reject, Reject near V1 or a second afterwards, Engine Failure or Engine Fire After Takeoff, expect same during Go Around, especially if you are flying a four engine aircraft, expect Hydraulics system failure and manual gear extension or alternate flap extension (give yourself some extra time), expect Windshear on approach or on takeoff, expect some reason to land immediately and do an Evacuation. All standard stuff.
The rest is up to you. If I could do it, anyone can.
READ YOUR CONTRACT CAREFULLY. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO ASK FOR WHAT YOU ARE WORTH. BE SURE EVERYTHING YOU ANTICIPATE YOU WILL WANT OR NEED IS IN WRITING. THE TIDE IS TURNING IN OUR FAVOR. DEMAND FOR PILOTS IS HIGH, GLOBALLY, sick economy or not.
REMEMBER, AVIATION SAFETY MUST COME FIRST -NO COMPROMISE. I DON'T COMPROMISE ON AVIATION SAFETY NOR COMPLIANCE WITH CAAC AIR LAWS NOR BOEING PROCEDURES NOR MAINTENANCE STANDARDS.
Good luck.
I have been employed, in China, as a Boeing 737-800/700 Captain 3.5 years, for Shanghai Airlines.
China has been good to me.
Google:
Brookfield Aviation - David George
Direct Personnel - Shane Pollard or Claire Doyle
IAC - Roy Wheatley
PARC Aviation - Padraic Toolan
Rishworth Aviation - Kim Bell
Get your logbooks up-to-date, police clearances, no accident/incident report, before you entertain applying . . . as the paperwork processing required takes time, but not as much, if you are prepared. Maybe took me three months. If you do not have ICAO English Level 4 or Level 6 appended to your ATPL, get it before you come.
The ATPL Written Exam does have a 70% failure rate, so you must study. This is not an all expenses paid holiday. Come prepared.
The Simulator Assessment is straight forward: Crew Resource Management and Resource Management -based, expect Stall Series, Steep Turns (suggest using FPV on the horizon, make it easier on yourself), Cabin Altitude Warning/Rapid Decompression/Emergency Descent, Visual Pattern with Strong Crosswinds (given in Meters/Second), Normal ILS (hand flown, with no Flight Director), Non-precision Approach (hand flown no Flight Director), maybe an N1 Overspeed during takeoff, Low Speed/High Thrust Reject, Reject near V1 or a second afterwards, Engine Failure or Engine Fire After Takeoff, expect same during Go Around, especially if you are flying a four engine aircraft, expect Hydraulics system failure and manual gear extension or alternate flap extension (give yourself some extra time), expect Windshear on approach or on takeoff, expect some reason to land immediately and do an Evacuation. All standard stuff.
The rest is up to you. If I could do it, anyone can.
READ YOUR CONTRACT CAREFULLY. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO ASK FOR WHAT YOU ARE WORTH. BE SURE EVERYTHING YOU ANTICIPATE YOU WILL WANT OR NEED IS IN WRITING. THE TIDE IS TURNING IN OUR FAVOR. DEMAND FOR PILOTS IS HIGH, GLOBALLY, sick economy or not.
REMEMBER, AVIATION SAFETY MUST COME FIRST -NO COMPROMISE. I DON'T COMPROMISE ON AVIATION SAFETY NOR COMPLIANCE WITH CAAC AIR LAWS NOR BOEING PROCEDURES NOR MAINTENANCE STANDARDS.
Good luck.
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Agreed.......And I would add a very well honed sense of humor to bravery !
Colocolo (also on my 5th year in China)
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Agreed.......And I would add a very well honed sense of humor to bravery !
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FWRWATPLX2 / VRSCSE2 / Colocolo : It's good to hear that China offers a good career for at least some pilots.
My question is : did you all start in China as experienced typed pilots ? Or did you have to accumulate hours first ? Would instructional experience gained at a flight school in China improve chances for making the leap into Chinese airlines ?
Any relevant advice is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
My question is : did you all start in China as experienced typed pilots ? Or did you have to accumulate hours first ? Would instructional experience gained at a flight school in China improve chances for making the leap into Chinese airlines ?
Any relevant advice is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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My question is : did you all start in China as experienced typed pilots ? Or did you have to accumulate hours first ? Would instructional experience gained at a flight school in China improve chances for making the leap into Chinese airlines ?
-I have no insight on the benefits of instructing for a flight school in China, seems to me (probably off the mark) that "connections" or "Guanxi"(sp) is what gets you into an airline as an new FO or cadet.
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Have you tried Air Asia out of Luala Lumpur? Depending on your qualifications they might offer you a Captain position on A320.
Few of my friends were hired as a Direct Entry Captain without being a Captain before.
Have you tried Air Asia out of Luala Lumpur? Depending on your qualifications they might offer you a Captain position on A320.
Few of my friends were hired as a Direct Entry Captain without being a Captain before.
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experience needed
if they're that short of crew, should it not be a case of setting the price they must pay, not asking what they offer.
come on guys, if there is such a shortage, the pilots should be setting the price, after all, YOU are SELLING them a service!!!!!
come on guys, if there is such a shortage, the pilots should be setting the price, after all, YOU are SELLING them a service!!!!!
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Yeah , they REALLY need us , especially us over-55s who are treated like lepers. ageism lives BIG time in East Asia . I am an ex -MAS Captain ( 737 ) with a Malaysian ATPL , lots of local knowledge , deep love and respect for Malaysia , but still treated like ..... at least India are sensible. I thought China and their neighbours had deep respect for older people , well certainly not in aviation.
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The Simulator Assessment is straight forward: Crew Resource Management and Resource Management -based, expect Stall Series, Steep Turns (suggest using FPV on the horizon, make it easier on yourself), Cabin Altitude Warning/Rapid Decompression/Emergency Descent, Visual Pattern with Strong Crosswinds (given in Meters/Second), Normal ILS (hand flown, with no Flight Director), Non-precision Approach (hand flown no Flight Director), maybe an N1 Overspeed during takeoff, Low Speed/High Thrust Reject, Reject near V1 or a second afterwards, Engine Failure or Engine Fire After Takeoff, expect same during Go Around, especially if you are flying a four engine aircraft, expect Hydraulics system failure and manual gear extension or alternate flap extension (give yourself some extra time), expect Windshear on approach or on takeoff, expect some reason to land immediately and do an Evacuation. All standard stuff.
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"The Simulator Assessment is straight forward: Crew Resource Management and Resource Management -based, expect Stall Series, Steep Turns (suggest using FPV on the horizon, make it easier on yourself), Cabin Altitude Warning/Rapid Decompression/Emergency Descent, Visual Pattern with Strong Crosswinds (given in Meters/Second), Normal ILS (hand flown, with no Flight Director), Non-precision Approach (hand flown no Flight Director), maybe an N1 Overspeed during takeoff, Low Speed/High Thrust Reject, Reject near V1 or a second afterwards, Engine Failure or Engine Fire After Takeoff, expect same during Go Around, especially if you are flying a four engine aircraft, expect Hydraulics system failure and manual gear extension or alternate flap extension (give yourself some extra time), expect Windshear on approach or on takeoff, expect some reason to land immediately and do an Evacuation. All standard stuff." "
IS IT MY IMAGINATION. or is not this all standard issue simulator stuff that many of us have been doing for decades? I had to read it twice to make sure It was something, and it was the usual issue simulator stuff for MOST jet aircraft, both airline and corporate.
IS IT MY IMAGINATION. or is not this all standard issue simulator stuff that many of us have been doing for decades? I had to read it twice to make sure It was something, and it was the usual issue simulator stuff for MOST jet aircraft, both airline and corporate.
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Guys come on I'm sure the 13000 is a misprint but 7000 on the 320 at 46 is not usual. I have friends at 45 or so with close to 10000 on the 320. Of course that's all they have flow in the airline world.
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For the sim assessment - that's a lot to fit into a two hours session. Even when we do that for our 6 monthly checks we spread it out over 2 days. And what standard do they want after you're rung yourself out over this session? Hmmmm. And is it two different standards? This is China remember.
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Isnt it the standard you set for yourself that is important?
They expect from expat captains to follow their regulations and Sops,have a positive attitude in flight,not to have unstabilised approaches,and for selection: handle a single engine raw data,loss of both generators(APU inop) to a landing(ILS),strong crosswind landing,usual hydraulic loss/flaps assymetry/disagree,emergency descent and standard VOR/NdB procedural approach followed by loads of single engine visual circuit to land.
This without having repetitive GPWS warnings during the exercise.
If you cant do that,maybe your captaincy is not worth the pay package
They expect from expat captains to follow their regulations and Sops,have a positive attitude in flight,not to have unstabilised approaches,and for selection: handle a single engine raw data,loss of both generators(APU inop) to a landing(ILS),strong crosswind landing,usual hydraulic loss/flaps assymetry/disagree,emergency descent and standard VOR/NdB procedural approach followed by loads of single engine visual circuit to land.
This without having repetitive GPWS warnings during the exercise.
If you cant do that,maybe your captaincy is not worth the pay package