Phenom,

What's your flight time experience if u don't mind me asking?
Thanks

any new resignations lately????

Captain Custodio are you there????

From the grape vine, Custodio, and Maralit are out and there hiring for the 330 relief pilots

Anyone know the current situation on recruitment, i had a skype interview a while back now, was informed i would be called 10 days later for the tech one, but nothing.....

They are no longer responding to e-mails etc.........

ATR CO PILOT
 

Is there any vacancy for atr rated co-pilot in cebu

Pay your respects
 

Captain Custodio is on indefinite leave to spend more time with his mother due to her ailing health. His mother just passed away yesterday in case you didn't know. Give the guy a break.

Captain Maralit...I don't know if he even has a mother.

Skype interview Cebu
 

Hi,
Can You tell Me what kind of questions they asked during the interview?
Have They called You by now? Are U flying there now? Thanks for any info You can give Me as I will have Skype interview soon, I heard the pay is different for each pilot, do U know what they will Pay Yet? Pretty Low As I understand.
Thanks for Your time.
Best of luck

Anyone with the T&C? Thinking about applying but would like to know this first.

Thanks

MDT06

They are hiring permanent 330 expat captains it appears....


A330 Captains - Cebu Pacific with Contractair Ltd | 1401366811

Expats will never have a permanent position at Cebu. They will use you as they need you and then when they don't, it's Adios.... I mean Paalam.

not sure how you can call it permanent as I presume the Work Permit is not Permanent.

Permanent as in "local" hire, as opposed to "contractor".

Yes, contractors in any country, with any airline are only temporary workers.

I didn't call it anything, nor am I interested in working for sub-par conditions...just read the website via the link

You may be locally hired but as Foreign Crew you have a work permit that is not permanent, I think that is what Stewsan was hinting at?. They can use that as a way to flick you off when they dont need you anymore and pay CR22pier terms etc. Its happened before,

Name any job in aviation where you are guaranteed employment.

You can be cut loose from any position, with any airline at any time.

Again, come in as a "contractor" and you are already starting off as a "temporary help" status.

Skymaster you obviously have to have the last word everytime so I will leave it with you.
I made my point and that was all.

In "A Few Good Men" Col. Jessep said it best "You can't handle the truth!":eek:

Cebu Pac???
 

Cebu Pac,
if the company need pilots - they hire, in the past expats as well.
If the company dont want the expats anymore they brake the contracts.
This happened end of last year again.
From information until end of duty: Two weeks, no matter the contracts where still running.

Contract as local pilot:
Low salary
14 days leave per year
Expect around ten weeks running around and organizing many, many and more documents, confirmations, certifications, lots of photos 1x1 and 2x2, in different colours, they dont accept what you bring if the colour is not exact what they want- and different offices intern and extern want different colours, tests, two medicals, local english languagge prof, local radio com. licence, local ATPL and many, many things more.
All in all, that keeps you for weeks busy.
You will travel criss cross the city, traffic jam everywhere and always.
On a bad day expect for five kilometer 90, 120 minutes or more.
In that case, walking? You will do that once!!
Believe me, many, many things more.
And you will hear: Come back next week, tomorrow, next wednesday or whatever hundred times before you finish to organize the documents. You will need a taxi and waisting a half or complete day very often for nothing.
Once you have completed everything, all the documents and requirements you dont get a licence. You will get a temporary licence with the permission for a checkride in the sim and a linecheck. Your first flight in the company will be a linecheck.
Thereafter you may get the local licence. How you keep your loicence is your problem, dont forget you have only 14 days leave per year.
Finally, dont forget a blue and a black pen!
Sometimes you are only allowed to write and or sign in blue,
sometimes you are only allowed to write and or sign in black.
And, you pay for everything on your own for the Journey, Hotel, food, medical, CAAP, taxi to organize everything during weeks without salary until you finally productive flying on line- that may take three month, or more.
The base may be changed from one day to the next, i know pilots who got a change one day before they started.
Salary: As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (4000 and 5000 USD)
Once you are in, it is OK.
But you can be out any day for many reason.
The word fairnes is not known in SE-Asia and as well not in some companies...
It´s more fun in the Philippines...

You forgot the bit... if you don't like it - no one's forcing you to take it! But then again in those days weren't expat on contractors paid 11k USD + housing + travel allowance etc (for the ATR - maybe more for the airbus).

Agreed if you're a 1500+ hr ATPL FO (with Jet time) or Capt then maybe you have other options but if you're a low hour FO trying to get your first job or some hours and they're offering you the 'Limited' FO post then you've probably got no other options - a lot of people would bite our hand off for the opportunity to fly without having 'Pay to Fly' - sorting your documents is a small price to pay, although easier (I understand) than the likes of Japan, Korea and China.

Again, you are only quoting productivity pay (flight pay) and you are leaving out the base pay (about $3000/month).

Once you are employed you are on base salary until released to the line, at that point you will receive "productivity pay" (flight pay), so again your statement is inaccurate.

Can be done in about 4 weeks actually. Depends upon the motivation of the person doing the running around. ;)

Actually you get a "validated" ATPL based upon your home countries ATP. And you don't get a "line check" until the "release" flight after SLF and RQ. After 200 hours in a RP registered aircraft you are eligible for a full conversion to a CAAP ATPL.

The company allocates days off for license renewal with the CAAP. If you must return to your home country for a license renewal then yes, it could be a problem.

Same is true with many airlines around the world. Please name one airline that once you are employed you are guaranteed a job for life? :rolleyes:

Interview
 

I appreciate if someone could tell me if they are conducting Limited FOs or A330 Cruise Relief pilot interviews via skype please.
Thanks.

Salary: As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (4000 and 5000 USD)

That is basic plus productivity pay.
More or less half and half basic pay and productivity pay, depends on the flighthours.

Bananaman2 and HermannP you guys are correct.

The good ole days are gone.No more $11000,Traders Hotel,transport to work and 6 on 2 off and the company took care of everything.Even the girl in HR told me the past is over..."local terms only"

If not I would go back in a heartbeat.

What? I'm sorry HermannP but your "information" is grossly wrong. :=






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I was wondering how you deal with this situation:

If you do finally get a "validated" CPL based upon your home country
CPL/ATPL TR. And as stated from forum members, after 200 hours in a RP registered aircraft you are eligible for a full conversion to a CAAP CPL/ATPL.

While you still dont have these 200h, must necessarily your home country TR/ licence be current or is no longer needed unless you wish to have it current.

Every job opportunity needs plenty of detail planning, and certainly if there is something missing in Philippines is INFO, unanswered emails are quite common, and if lucky and you get an answer each source says a different thing, so even more confusing.
It may be possible at some point to get a position, but dealing with HR is frustrating so far:ugh:

Having done business in Philippines and purchased property one thing I know for certain . Don't expect your emails to be answered ! They seem to have a real problem finding the reply icon .

Emails, text, phone calls, etc. Communication etiquette is not their forte'.

Dear Skymaster,

i am not talking about the old expat contracts, that is history in Cebu Pacific.
I am talking about the standart from Jan. 2013 on.
And once again, below is the standart now.

Salary: As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (between 4000 and 5000 USD net)

That is basic plus productivity pay.
More or less half and half basic pay and productivity pay, depends on the flighthours.

However, overtime only for a few pilots...


I have seen the original contracts from the local pilots.

Right Hermann. :rolleyes:

Get the facts before posting downright distortions of the truth.

You have no credibility in anything you've posted so far. :=

I know that you want to attract people, but please dont write things wich are not true.

Attaking me will not give you any credibility, the people have eyes and can read the Cebu threads and your posts.


And still-salary:
As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (4000 and 5000 USD) after tax.

O_0 I feel a disturbance in the force....

I don't have a dog in this fight, it's not up to me "to attract people".

No one is attacking you, just pointing out that you are deliberately putting out false information

Well, I am pretty good at math, and your numbers simply don't add up. Again, you and your buddies keep ignoring the fact there is a base pay also and are distorting the pay numbers.

I have the current contract right here in front of me and your information is inaccurate if not deliberately misleading.

Here is my reply in another thread on CP on the true numbers for a A320 Captain:

Ok Kids, before things get out of hand...here is the lowdown, and this answer came from a recently released 320 local captain i shared the crew shuttle with.

Basic for a new Airbus Capt. Php 120k. Deduct taxes and sss , medicare,etc, net is php 100k. Total productivity pay on 80 hours is roughly 160t.

Total take-home pay is Php 260t

Today's exchange rate is P43.30/usd 1

So in usd, the net figure you will see on your Atm monthly is $6,000.

Far cry from the heydays a few years ago. So if you have a REAL , stable job stay where ever you are.

But if you are jobless and 4 months behind your mortgage, a nagging wife, and the Repo guy is casing your house looking for your VW Golf ...this Gig beats watching CNN and lurking on Pprune for sure!

Remember, no one is FORCING you to take this job. Just my two cent's worth..

:confused:

Hello people,

New to forum here. I'm currently a dual citizen (Filipino and US) living in the US. I hold a PPL, currently working on my CPL, and have about 247 hours.

I was wondering on how to go about getting a job with an airline in the Philippines. The aviation industry seems to be booming over there whereas here in the US is progressing backwards.

How is the process regarding converting the FAA certificates into CAAP ones? Am I also required to fly 200 hours in RP-C... aircraft for the conversion, as suggested above?

Any input is appreciated

Thanks:)

Tks for that info Jonjie. Must be close or you would get a one page essay back.

splitzkreen03 - I converted from a JAA to a CAAP CPL/IR and I know a few guys who converted from FAA and CASA to CAAP.

If you hold a Philippine passport (as you do) you can convert your licence straight away without having to do 200hrs (there's a clause in the PICAR somewhere stating this fact) otherwise you'll just get a Validation initially. When i did it, they wanted to know I had a job to go to also.

If you just get the Validation initially it will allow you to start flying Philippine registered aircraft under the privileges of your 'mother' licence but you'll need to keep the Validation certificate and Ratings valid... so suggest you push for conversion.

To Validate/Convert as well as doing various things like Air Law exam, Eng Lang, Medical, Radio Lic etc you'll need to do 10 hours and a check in a light aircraft or if you come with a rating e.g 320 you can just do a check in the 320 without doing the light aircraft stuff.

Actually to join in the debate on salary briefly....

I fly for a rival 320 operator in the Phils, where the majority of Capts are ex-cebupac and they told me Cebupac has 'incremental' pay and a seniority list anyway.. so salary increases with every year of service. A couple of our Capts told me they had 10+ years service and when they left they were getting 300k PHP basic (before productivity)... so salary is not fixed from person to person.

As an aside i heard this was a sticking point when some senior Capts were offered the 330 as they were told they'd lose their seniority (as it was a new airframe) and would have to start from year 1 330 pay.

Hi guys,

going a little off topic...
Anyone know what is the average roster for the 330 chaps at Cebu?

Thanks to all:ok:

Annual Merit Increase
 

bananaman2,

You are referring to what is known as Annual Merit Increase or 'AMI'. Here's how it works:

The basic salary for an A320 Captain is around Php 124,000 before taxes. Every year, each pilot is 'evaluated' by the Chief Pilot in the form of an 'Annual Assessment'. He is then given his AMI for the year which is anywhere from 4-7% based on the evaluation. Thus, If a new captain who had served say, 3 years as FO prior to being upgraded and having achieved the full merit of 7% AMI would technically have an accumulated AMI of 7% x 3 years or 21%. So his basic pay upon making the left seat would thus be Php 124,000 + 21%= Php 150,000. This is before taxes. The full 7% is the exception rather than the rule as this is all dependent on the Chief Pilots mood when he drafts the annual assessment. 4% would be the more realistic figure and 0% is not totally out of the question for the same reasons stated.

This system has since been super ceded about 2 years ago for all new hires by one which equates the basic pay to experience level/ flying time. Management created 'brackets' of experience in terms of time. Example, 1500 -3000 hours would be a certain basic pay, 3001-4000 a level up, etc.

This was the formula used for the Long Haul Division/ A330 when bids for pilot positions were opened. This led to complaints from the more senior pilots specially those who were highly experienced but were spending a lot of time instructing in the sim and did not have their experience properly reflected on their logbooks in terms of flight time.

In the end, the decision to move from SA to wide body was driven by reasons other than monetary.