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How about hiring expats. Will it ever happen at any Pinoy airline. Would love to live/fly in Cebu or Manila
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Of course it's still manageable.......all they have to do is tell Rolly to schedule everyone that every month you will be flying 100 hours.....until maybe the end of the year........by then all the ATR F/Os would have been upgraded to the Airbus and the ATR hiring would continue until such time the slots are all filled.
we shall see what happens by December........cancelled flights because everyone has been maxed out... |
Minimum of 500 hours on civil registered transport aircraft certificated for multi-crew operations Possibly welcomes foreigners as well. Position FLIGHT CREW (AIRBUS or ATR) Work Location Pasay City Date Posted Wednesday, February 02, 2011 Responsibilities
Requirements
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im sorry, min 500FH, BUT with ATPL? how does that happen ??
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does anyone here have any responds so far??
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This (Cebu Pacific) is one corner of the world where the sacred Seniority List still breathes. To protect the junior pilots and restore order among the ranks when it comes to promotion and hiring, the existing association there will strive to defend this list.
I have been around. Got a new log_in as my old one has been uncovered already. Our fellow pilots in the Philippines are one bunch of fine decent men. I say this because, in the past, during a crippling strike of the flag carrier, the majority of the pilots who lost their jobs would not dare apply for a position in other airlines if it were to violate the ranks. Fun to spend a few flying years in the Far East but I see the importance of staying out of Cebu Pacific as an expat. I hear it has been a struggle for their pilots association in looking after the welfare of its pilots and squeezing in will not do them any good. I care enough to give these boys a chance. |
A close friend in the airline says that it is company policy to hire only Filipino pilots and expats with rights to work in the Philippines, the latter having been allowed usually by virtue of marriage to a national.
My friend explains further that Philippine labor laws only allow a maximum of 6 months residency for non-Filipinos in any nature of employment. The time frame being set mainly to give the employer a chance to train a national to fill up the position. Hope that helps. |
Senior_Citizen
meaning even though they didnt put right to work and live as part of requirement, it doesnt mean that they will hire non-Filipinos? hopeless for non-filippinos! |
"My friend explains further that Philippine labor laws only allow a maximum of 6 months residency for non-Filipinos in any nature of employment. The time frame being set mainly to give the employer a chance to train a national to fill up the position."
so how did 5j manage to get expat CEO, COO, and others in engineering plus some also in ATR fleet? i'm sure this is also market-driven, ie, 5j has a mechanism to get foreigners if they needed/wanted to. |
@takamasa .. so it seems.
(I posted an earlier reply, beats me why it didn't get through. Anyway, if I may recount...) This airline Cebu Pacific is among the few corners of the world where a Seniority System still breathes, courtesy of its pilots' union. It keeps a little order in terms of promotion and as a protection of their junior members, meaning - no one gets ahead of the others in the queue until his turn is up. It's an old system, however it serves as the foundation of the peaceful relationship they have with the guys who run the show. It would be fun to spend a few flying years in the Philippines (my wife is a Filipina) but I wouldn't want to get in the way of the union in its struggle to look after the welfare of its members, by squeezing my way in. Not that it's going to be a hostile environment if I do, these pilots are still decent professionals, but I should care enough to help them make their goals. It's perfectly alright to start at the bottom though (is that the ATR First Officer position?) however, I have been around a little more than that. @Chairwrecker.. I think it's the COO and the COA that are expats (among others) who are there in a consultancy capacity. Must be allowed by law, I don't really know. |
@senior
i think there's a pilot association in 5j, but i am not aware of any union yet. but yes culture values seniority a lot. also Lance G is president, GK (expat) is Chief ex adviser, MB (expat) is Chief ops adviser. (i think that's why u said they're there on consultancy, but everybody knows they run the place). plus a host of other expats in engineering that MB hired. also saw a couple of old white dudes flying the ATRs a while back (once when i flew to Caticlan), just wondering if they're still there. my bet is that the market for A320 pilots will soon dry up just as the market for engineers has alredy dried up and 5J will be forced to look for expat pilots. just a matter of time boysssss.... |
(I see my earlier post has finally come out, :))
@Chairwrecker ... yeah, you're right. It has become an expat's world especially in the Far East. Shuttling between low cost carriers is commonplace and it just crosses ones mind how it would be like to finally find your niche and gather up some moss. Its not bad out here in the Iberian Peninsula. Its Home. I get wind about every opportunity from the daily shop talk and friends and I light up at the idea of retiring somewhere exotic, at least that is how I imagine a place in Asia. I ask around, do a little homework and for every opportunity out there, it only takes a few facts to get you pointed to another direction. In the case of Cebu, I learn about the union (oops, association...same thing), and it's off the list. Stifles the exitement of the wife but it's okay. I only have further encouragement to the fine gentlemen out there in Cebu. Go get them, boys! Have a good one Chairw.. catch up with you in another thread. |
either way, if anyone has any replies from the company, please feel free to drop some words here.
i am hoping there will be foreigners receiving calls or emails soon. |
Chairwrecker,
also saw a couple of old white dudes flying the ATRs a while back (once when i flew to Caticlan), just wondering if they're still there. |
Not sure about longterm expat jobs there, I heard Air Asia may second crews for there planned operation here until enough local pilots can be recruited.
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What about 5J pilots moving to Air Asia? Isn't it enough manpower for their initial operation this year?
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5J pilots are on "standby mode" awaiting for their well deserved "very cheap bonus" despite of their huge profit. It's 5J's trademark. :)
Just wait a little time and it will answer your questions perfectly. TCs for Air Asia Philippines will be coming out very soon...:ok: I have seen happy guys at Clark. There is really a "Quality Life" after 5J...;) |
Waiting for March 15, then the show begins.
AirAsia here we come! |
@ZFT
sorry, didnt mean to sound racist or, errr, "age-ist"? :O |
Airphil
Airphil Express.. theyre taking in another 3-5 aircrafts this and the janitor told me they have new portuguese and french ( the janitor thinks) FOs' currently flying.
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Desperate times for the Airlines... :rolleyes: But good for the local pilots who have been "battered" through the years for nothing but "chippy"... :D There is always a time for reckoning...:) NOW is one of the bests ... I think!
Goodluck! :ok: |
APX
APX is hiring and will have new pilot retention program soon according to the janitor:ok:>>>>>>>>>>
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This will help their students secure employment with Cebu Pacific after graduation
CEB seeks employment partnership with flight training organizations The Philippines’ largest national flag carrier, Cebu Pacific (PSE:CEB) comes up with even more job opportunities for Filipinos by seeking partnerships with flight training institutions approved by Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP). After the success of CEB’s grand recruitment event last February 11-12 at the Hotel Intercontinental Manila, the airline announced another innovative way to source high quality personnel for its growing workforce by creating a sustainable crew resource program. Now, it opens the doors for partnerships with quality flight training organizations. According to CAAP, there are approximately 50 registered flight training institutions in Clark, Subic, Pasay, Bacolod, Zambales, Lapu-Lapu, and Manila, among others. “We encourage the leading flight training organizations from all over the Philippines to develop competitive proposals and send them to Cebu Pacific so we can forge a partnership with them. This will help their students secure employment with Cebu Pacific after graduation,” said CEB VP for marketing and distribution Candice Iyog. Interested flight training institutions should contact CEB’s Special Projects Office for a request for tender document through our email address: [email protected]. “As the country’s largest airline, CEB continues to find innovative ways to support its growing workforce. This will deepen our pool of technical experts in various airline functions and ensure that CEB strengthens its high-quality value proposition to its passengers.” Iyog said. She added that this is a win-win situation for both the flight training organization and the airline. “CEB looks forward to welcoming even more qualified individuals into the CEB family, as we take delivery of more brand-new Airbus A320 aircraft,” she concluded. The airline has already received four brand-new Airbus A320 from October 2010 to January 2011. By the end of 2011, CEB will be operating a fleet of 37 aircraft – with an average age of less than 2.5 years – one of the most modern aircraft fleets in the world. Between 2012 and 2014, Cebu Pacific will take an additional 16 Airbus A320 aircraft. The first low-cost carrier in Asia, CEB currently operates over 260 flights daily to 16 international cities and 33 domestic destinations. It flew almost 10.5 million passengers in 2010, exceeding targets with a 19% increase over 2009. Its international passengers also grew by 38% in 2010. |
Sim Check for Cebupac
Good day to all!
I would like to ask if anyone here have an idea when will be the simulator check for the aspiring FO's who passed the interview last job fair? thanks |
cebupacific.....
Hi folks!!:ok:
So is the first time expats pilots will join airlines from philipines?... never happend before?....:confused:... How is life in Cebu Pacific as a FO?.... how many lay overs and hours per month?:confused:... is a nice place for living?.... .....a six months contract only they say....:\ Any ifo will be really appreciate it!;) Cheers!:ok: |
Thru Parc Aviation you get a serviced apartment and 6000usd but for three months only. What a shame.
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expat pilots?
is it legal by philippine law to employ expat pilots? are'nt there enough pilots in the philippines for Cebupac to hire? i hope that CAAP sees this.
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Could be a temporary solution only. Once the local pilots who are currently on ground school completes their line training , then it's bye bye to expats.
That explains the short-term contract. Surely, there are lots of pilots in the Philippines, but the airline is looking for "qualified" pilots :ok: |
Hello Sir's new to the forum here, I would just want to know if there is really a lot of A320 pilots needed in the Philippines I am typed on the A320 just this month and submited my resume to all operators of the A320 in the Philippines but no reply. Thanks, any help or info will be appreciated.
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not sure if any expat will accept 3 months contract. never heard of such anywhere....
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hmmmmmm....
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Its souds very bad to cebu pacific......... I was wondering why cebu pacific is looking for a flying school to be there partner. Its sounds like ????... Instead of doing that, they must focus on the pilots that have enough flying time. Last job hiring, my friend told me that around 100 to 120 pilots apply in cebu pacific with enough flying hours but when cebu pacific begin there panel interview some pilots say's no techical questions its persoanlity only other say's more on technical, so in short others did not pass the interview. Last week I heard that lost of applicant failed in simulator... So guys if you analize this. Cebu pacific is needing of 75 pilots for ATR and AIRBUS and now around 56 plus or more resign in cebu pacific so more or less cebu pacific is needing of 130 pilots...
If cebu pacific are interested and serious about this all they have to do is to accept all pilots applicants, train them all with a bond of atleast 5 years specialy to those who are not type rated thats it problem solve. |
jester why don't you tell chief sam to make you an instructor in the ATR.......
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Expat pilot contracts.
Contract Air 4000usd plus a flat 3-6months Magellan Aviation same Parc Aviation 1 year contract on local terms paid in pesos, 2800 usd assuming 35 hours of flight time All is interview via skpe, no sim eval. Regardless expat or local theys people need to learn how to pay international wages and offer min 1-2 contracts with upgrade possibilities. With in 30 days they have played games with different brokers using different contracts . Cebu must think pilots on the expat circuit are stupid and only check with one broker at a time. Cebu could be the contract of choice like Vietnam if the just stopped playing games and start paying. Lets wait and see what Air Asia does |
positive note
I for one am very happy to see ex-pats joining a Philippine airline. Looking forward to flying with them.
Its bringing a change that is much needed in the Philippines. For those who worked abroad in the past and are back here, can see the benefits in opening our doors to the foreign market. We should welcome any and all pilots to our company and to those who are leaving for greener pastures, kudos and best or luck. See you on the flight deck |
Not so positive implication
Ex-expats who rejoined years ago left for another local outfit and the remaining "others" will join Air Asia in few months time to include most of the qualified Captains. This is a negative implication of BUPAK's current situation.
There is a deeper problem other than Dondie and Sayong and they are just incidental or accidental to the situation. If Bupak's management will continue to play "CHEAP" with their most precious posessions, THE PILOTS, the situation will recur as a system cycle even if all of them are EXPATS. When you are very tired and very sick due to heavy loads of flying and nobody in the Flight Opns that you can lean on and your pay is not enough to compensate you, then it's time to consider "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH". Goodbye Dondie, Goodbye Sayong, Goodbye Dan, Goodbye Sam and Goodbye Lance...Happy & Safe Flying to All!!! (Who left you) :) Take your lead from EX-EXPATS, they will show you the way. |
@ Arigato
I agree with you 100%, we are been over worked and the pay is not nearly close to what it should be, and yes there is a deeper problem within 5j. I'm physically feeling the stress, and i'm not that young anymore.. But I am a professional pilot at the end of the day, and as such I do welcome our new guests into our country and company. I'm sure they will be a valuable asset and whether they stay or leave in the future, they must be welcomed. We are after all the hosts and they the guests. That and I dont really care who's sitting next to me, as long as that person is as professional and competent or more than myself. Theres allot of opportunities out there right now and if I was younger I would jump on them in a second. The Philippine aviation is growing rapidly with many companies entering our market. Cebu Pac has some serious competition on the horizon and they should remember that.... As should we with so many new opportunities appearing :ok: Best of luck to all that have left. I believe you've all made a good choice Happy flying |
What kind of opportunities for a 3 to 6 month contract does Cebu have? I am 3000tt, 2000turbine, ATP, ATr experience (not current) and current on EMB145.
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Good day,
just want to ask here if cebu pacific is still hiring pilots? I am a flight instructor and now looking for a stable job like ailrine. Thank you |
more writings on the wall
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