How about hiring expats. Will it ever happen at any Pinoy airline. Would love to live/fly in Cebu or Manila

Of course it's still manageable.......all they have to do is tell Rolly to schedule everyone that every month you will be flying 100 hours.....until maybe the end of the year........by then all the ATR F/Os would have been upgraded to the Airbus and the ATR hiring would continue until such time the slots are all filled.

we shall see what happens by December........cancelled flights because everyone has been maxed out...

CEB PAC recently changed the requirements. and requires ATPL for FO? :ugh:

Possibly welcomes foreigners as well.

Position FLIGHT CREW (AIRBUS or ATR) Work Location Pasay City Date Posted Wednesday, February 02, 2011
Responsibilities

• Safe handling of aircraft controls by assisting the Captain in all phases of flight.

Requirements

• ICAO recognized ATPL (acceptable to Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines)
• At least 500 hours of flying time
• Minimum of 500 hours on civil registered transport aircraft certificated for multi-crew operations
• College degree holder
• Basic computer literacy

im sorry, min 500FH, BUT with ATPL? how does that happen ??

does anyone here have any responds so far??

This (Cebu Pacific) is one corner of the world where the sacred Seniority List still breathes. To protect the junior pilots and restore order among the ranks when it comes to promotion and hiring, the existing association there will strive to defend this list.

I have been around. Got a new log_in as my old one has been uncovered already. Our fellow pilots in the Philippines are one bunch of fine decent men. I say this because, in the past, during a crippling strike of the flag carrier, the majority of the pilots who lost their jobs would not dare apply for a position in other airlines if it were to violate the ranks.

Fun to spend a few flying years in the Far East but I see the importance of staying out of Cebu Pacific as an expat. I hear it has been a struggle for their pilots association in looking after the welfare of its pilots and squeezing in will not do them any good. I care enough to give these boys a chance.

A close friend in the airline says that it is company policy to hire only Filipino pilots and expats with rights to work in the Philippines, the latter having been allowed usually by virtue of marriage to a national.

My friend explains further that Philippine labor laws only allow a maximum of 6 months residency for non-Filipinos in any nature of employment. The time frame being set mainly to give the employer a chance to train a national to fill up the position.

Hope that helps.

Senior_Citizen

meaning even though they didnt put right to work and live as part of requirement, it doesnt mean that they will hire non-Filipinos?

hopeless for non-filippinos!

"My friend explains further that Philippine labor laws only allow a maximum of 6 months residency for non-Filipinos in any nature of employment. The time frame being set mainly to give the employer a chance to train a national to fill up the position."

so how did 5j manage to get expat CEO, COO, and others in engineering plus some also in ATR fleet? i'm sure this is also market-driven, ie, 5j has a mechanism to get foreigners if they needed/wanted to.

@takamasa .. so it seems.

(I posted an earlier reply, beats me why it didn't get through. Anyway, if I may recount...) This airline Cebu Pacific is among the few corners of the world where a Seniority System still breathes, courtesy of its pilots' union. It keeps a little order in terms of promotion and as a protection of their junior members, meaning - no one gets ahead of the others in the queue until his turn is up. It's an old system, however it serves as the foundation of the peaceful relationship they have with the guys who run the show.

It would be fun to spend a few flying years in the Philippines (my wife is a Filipina) but I wouldn't want to get in the way of the union in its struggle to look after the welfare of its members, by squeezing my way in. Not that it's going to be a hostile environment if I do, these pilots are still decent professionals, but I should care enough to help them make their goals. It's perfectly alright to start at the bottom though (is that the ATR First Officer position?) however, I have been around a little more than that.

@Chairwrecker.. I think it's the COO and the COA that are expats (among others) who are there in a consultancy capacity. Must be allowed by law, I don't really know.

@senior
i think there's a pilot association in 5j, but i am not aware of any union yet. but yes culture values seniority a lot.

also Lance G is president, GK (expat) is Chief ex adviser, MB (expat) is Chief ops adviser. (i think that's why u said they're there on consultancy, but everybody knows they run the place). plus a host of other expats in engineering that MB hired. also saw a couple of old white dudes flying the ATRs a while back (once when i flew to Caticlan), just wondering if they're still there.

my bet is that the market for A320 pilots will soon dry up just as the market for engineers has alredy dried up and 5J will be forced to look for expat pilots. just a matter of time boysssss....

(I see my earlier post has finally come out, :))

@Chairwrecker ... yeah, you're right. It has become an expat's world especially in the Far East. Shuttling between low cost carriers is commonplace and it just crosses ones mind how it would be like to finally find your niche and gather up some moss.

Its not bad out here in the Iberian Peninsula. Its Home. I get wind about every opportunity from the daily shop talk and friends and I light up at the idea of retiring somewhere exotic, at least that is how I imagine a place in Asia. I ask around, do a little homework and for every opportunity out there, it only takes a few facts to get you pointed to another direction.

In the case of Cebu, I learn about the union (oops, association...same thing), and it's off the list. Stifles the exitement of the wife but it's okay. I only have further encouragement to the fine gentlemen out there in Cebu. Go get them, boys!

Have a good one Chairw.. catch up with you in another thread.

either way, if anyone has any replies from the company, please feel free to drop some words here.

i am hoping there will be foreigners receiving calls or emails soon.

Chairwrecker,

Weren't these the ATR manufacturers TRIs (from TLS and BKK) on very short term assignments? (I bet they would be please to know they are "old white dudes"!)

Not sure about longterm expat jobs there, I heard Air Asia may second crews for there planned operation here until enough local pilots can be recruited.

What about 5J pilots moving to Air Asia? Isn't it enough manpower for their initial operation this year?

5J pilots are on "standby mode" awaiting for their well deserved "very cheap bonus" despite of their huge profit. It's 5J's trademark. :)

Just wait a little time and it will answer your questions perfectly.

TCs for Air Asia Philippines will be coming out very soon...:ok:

I have seen happy guys at Clark. There is really a "Quality Life" after 5J...;)

Waiting for March 15, then the show begins.

AirAsia here we come!

@ZFT
sorry, didnt mean to sound racist or, errr, "age-ist"?
:O

Airphil
 

Airphil Express.. theyre taking in another 3-5 aircrafts this and the janitor told me they have new portuguese and french ( the janitor thinks) FOs' currently flying.