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Bangkok Airways crash at Kho Samui airport
Information is unclear at this point: some sources mention the plane's wing hitting the tower, others that it ran off the runway. Status regarding possible fatalities unknown. It might be flight PG266.
One source says it's Air Asia and not BKK Airways. Possible source for more upcoming information: Bangkok Airways Crash - Thailand Forum |
Thai Incident
Thai plane involved in incident as it lands on tourist island, reports Sky
A domestic airliner has crashed into a traffic control tower on a Thai resort island, an official has said. There were no immediate reports of casualties from the Bangkok Airways flight. The official said there were at least 70 people aboard when the plane skidded off the runway and hit the tower. |
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Confirmed
Appears that it was an ATR-72, skidded off the runway in wet conditions and hit the tower. First reports say 10 people dead.:(
Sad Day for Bangkok Airways. |
bangkok post Saying 10 fatalities full or tourists i guess ive taken off from samu before nice airport
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Bangkok Post reports Bangkok Airways is reported to have crashed at Samui Airport ! 10 people are reported to have died .Bangkok Post : Fatal Bangkok Airways crash on Samui
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Swiss newspaper is reporting NO fatalities and 10 slightly wounded...which would be a much better outcome. Question is: which is it? Fatalities or slightly wounded?
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No Fatalities??!
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Lets see
Thai Aviation Authority confirms only the pilot died in the plane crash at Koh Samui's airport. 7 were injured.
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PG266 crash at Samui
The Bangkok Post reports that the pilot,Khun Chartchai Pansuwan has sadly been killed in this accident.
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Last at KOS was this, also in rain (from Airline Safety Network):
Status: Final Date: 21 NOV 1990 Time: 11:15 UTC Type: de Havilland Canada DHC-8-103 Operator: Bangkok Airways Crew: Fatalities: 5 / Occupants: 5 Passengers: Fatalities: 33 / Occupants: 33 Total: Fatalities: 38 / Occupants: 38 Airplane damage: Written off Location: 5 km (3.1 mls) SW of Koh Samui Airport (USM) (Thailand) show on map ASN Aircraft accident de Havilland Canada DHC-8-103 HS-SKI Koh Samui Airport (USM) |
From the pic it looks like the old control tower, the new one is further up the runway?
Have been on this flight several times. Reminds me of the 1990 crash in same kind of weather. |
Samui
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...07747845-1.jpg From Teak Door.
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The latest Thai language newscast at 0955Z local stated the pilot is NOT dead but severely injured.
All the media, both local and foreign is jumping the gun and I would take everything including this with a pinch of salt. This is one report I really hope is factual though. |
That sounds more positive.
For anyone unfamiliar with the Thai media, it is usual for cameras and reporters to have access (and to full in gaps in knowledge) in a way that would be frowned upon in Europe. The front pages of mass tabloids (Thai Rath etc) are pretty ghoulish and are known to jump the gun so any reports should be taken with a healthy degree of scepticism until something more reliable come out. |
CNN reporting
One dead as plane crashes at Thai airport
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element...rner_dg_BL.gif http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element...rner_dg_TL.gif http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element.../text_size.gif http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element.../txt_minus.gif http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element..._minus_dn_.gif http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element...s/txt_plus.gif http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element...xt_plus_dn.gif BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- A Bangkok Airways plane crashed at an airport at a resort island in Thailand, killing the pilot and injuring 37 people Tuesday, aviation officials said. The plane carrying 68 people and four crew members skidded and then crashed after landing at Koh Samui airport, officials with the civil aviation department said. The ATR-72 turboprop had taken off from the town of Krabi on the west coast Thailand for its trip to the resort island of Koh Samui. Air traffic control warned the pilot of volatile winds before the plane landed, aviation officials said. Seven people were seriously injured and emergency officials were working to free the plane's co-pilot who was trapped in the plane, officials said. CNN's Dan Rivers contributed to this report. |
Strong winds?
Doesn't seem to equate with the METAR <s>METAR VTSB 040700Z 25008KT 9999 BKN018 OVC120 29/25 Q1007 A2975</s> |
METAR from ADDS
VTSM 040700Z 29015KT 9000 FEW020TCU SCT120 BKN300 31/25 Q1007 A2974 TCU-NW VTSM 040600Z 29012KT 9999 FEW020 SCT120 32/25 Q1007 A2976 |
In the article below (in German), an eye-witness who was staying in an apartment with a view of the runway says that the aircraft was compensating for the strong crosswind on landing, so I guess there must have been some wind. He also says that emergency services were quick to attend.
He speculated (as eye-witnesses do) that the plane had been unable to straighten up on landing as the aircraft left the runway at a 45 degree angle before colliding with the building. Leser schildert das Flugzeugunglück in Thailand - News Panorama: Vermischtes - tagesanzeiger.ch |
Strong winds? Doesn't seem to equate with the METAR I never found it very difficult to handle but if you do something wrong, you can easily get into trouble. Also turboprops are somewhat more difficult to handle in crosswind, as are tail engine driven aircraft (remember One Two Go in HKT). You have to reduce reverse aggressivly, if go around is not possible anymore. I don't say that this was the case here as we have to get more information, I just say that this weather could be the cause for the accident. Dani |
Check your METAR times...last observation is 2 hours prior to the incident. And it's monsoon season in the Pacific ITCZ, so a lot can happen. AeroThai doesn't show any later updates or scaremets or updated sigmets.
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Nationalitites?
Does anyone have a list of the nationalities of the passengers? (Before I get heat, I don't mean the possibly deceased, I mean the passengers.) Thank you,.
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Accident is reported to have occurred at about 1400 local (0800 UTC), therefore the 1300 local (0700 UTC) METAR is the one to use, is it not?
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Best thing to is either hold or divert if rain around this area. As mentioned it does not last long.
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No monsoons in Samui sir
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No "moonson" maybe, but a very rainy season for sure
...and it's now.
Picture taken by someone living close to the airport. Not as close-up as others that can be found on various media, but gives a good overall view of the scene. (credit: posted by a member of the aforementioned Thaivisa forum) http://i28.tinypic.com/25r30cm.jpg |
Video on the 6 pm news here shows the nose buried deep into the base of the control tower in a nose down attitude, as shown above.
Captain reported dead. Many pax injuries, mainly broken legs. 68 pob, mixed nationalities, mainly tourists. More later. |
Monsson or not?
I donno how you want to call it but whole Thailand is within the tropical zone of the South East Asia, where you get half a year South East wind and half a year North East, where you get a very rainy season and sometimes a dry.
That's the definition of Monsoon. Monsoon doesn't mean that you get lots of winds necessarily, but two distinctive seasons. If you know more (and other) details please let me know. |
Hmmmm.
Thunderstorms in vicinity......driving rain and/or strong cross-winds..........wet, possibly contaminated (?) runway........ATR 72.......narrow track undercarriage.......runway excursion. No mystery here, sad nonetheless. Weary |
According to Google Earth the contol tower is within 50 metres of, and a few metres below, the runway. Time for repositioning in subsequent re-build?
WP |
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TAF for said location
TAF VTSM 040330Z 0406/0506 27010KT 9999 SCT020 TEMPO 0407/0411 27015KT 5000 -SHRA SCT016 BKN110 BECMG 0413/0415 00000KT FEW023 BKN120=METAR VTSM 040700Z 29015KT 9000 FEW020TCU SCT120 BKN300 31/25 Q1007 A2974 TCU-NW= METAR suggested towering Cu to the northwest of the airfield at 0700z..the last official METAR before the accident.
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We live just across the channel from Koh Samui on the beach at Koh Pha-Ngan, about 18Km from Samui airport with a clear view of aircraft approaching from north and north west directions.
Just before 2pm, a very dark-looking front begun rolling in from the West. A few minutes later it hit us with gusts of approx 30-40 knots. Rain was falling horizontally, and coconut tree branches were being thrown about like feathers. Looking at the ThaiVisa forum pic, I can see that the aircraft approached the runway from the southern end. With strong westerly gusty crosswinds forcing the pilot to land at a steep angle to the runway's orientation, it's my opinion (as a non-pilot) that as the plane touched down it could not straighten fast enough and consequently veered off across the grass strip into the old fire station near the control tower. |
0412448550 11458 72804 10280 20244 30057 40064 60082 71022 82876 333 10325 58001 70078=
1200z Synop report for Koi Samui gives 8mm(1/3rd of an inch) of rain over the preceding 12 hours...(the 6 group) |
Agreed!
SYNOPS from 48550, Ko Samui (Thailand) 0412448550 11458 72804 10280 20244 30057 40064 60082 71022 82876 333 10325 58001 70078= 0409448550 21458 60000 10270 20256 30054 40061 71061 82846 333 59005 60085= 0406448550 32560 42705 10320 20249 30070 40077 82245 333 58010 70097= Synoptic weather reports for station suggests 32c 90F at 0600z, dropping to 27c 81F at 0900z after showers. Max temp of the day was 32.5c(1 group on the 1200z synoptic weather report). |
I seem to recall ....
...that the new tower was built because the old one was located (very) close to the runway. Maybe the old one should have been demolished once they's occupied the new one? bm
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Is the building part demolished by the port wing the Fire Station? Very close to the action if it is.
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Very sad day indeed
Never land in a thunderstorm! Maybe a microburst? These microbursts a terrible, just as bad as a small tornado. Seems like this plane just got pushed of the runway. Why do these things happen so often here in Southeast Asia? I am sure the pilots here now this type weather very well.
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