Working in China
I've just been offered a Bizjet position completely out of the blue based in China, am just wondering what is potentially involved in respect of license conversions, medicals, and more likely living expenses vs what is considered a reasonable expat salary.
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Spend some time on the Search function. These subjects have been covered dozens of times. There is no point in rewriting it all.
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Hi
Hi there...im relaying a good post i read previously...and i think it is undoubtfully the reality of working in a Chinese airline. Enjoy....hope it helps.
Medical exam:
The Chinese, smoke, drink and dont eat healthy; you on the other hand are going to be put through a screening that is like nothing you've ever seen before....why give them any reasons to fail your medical. They will flagg anything and most of the time, it's for no good reason. CAAC ATP EXAM
This will be like a PC but can be with multiple failures. The chinese like them and will be looking at your CRM skills as well as your ability to fly and diagnose. This is not easy ! be prepared ! if you have no glass cockpit time, you can purchase some when you get here. The cost is what you'd pay in the USA.
Here is an example: you dont like something (with good reason), and you voice your opinion (without them asking you for it). On your next PC you fail ! You ask yourself (and the instructor) what the Fuc* did I fail for? The next day you are looking for a new job. (for this to happen you have to be a serious jerk or have a huge mouth. It's not the norm but it does happen). The Chinese think that they are the best pilots in the world. No advice you have will be good enough for them....so, just fly, go home, fly, go home...collect a paycheck. Get my point? FYI, this airline also fines you $$$ for when you do something wrong. Anything that is not SOP and you get caught ie. QAR tells on you or you screw something up, you will get into trouble. The cost depends on the infraction. They have a menu of infractions and cost that your recruiter can show you...if they have them. (this kind of punishment is not good but so far, there is nothing that we can do about it). Having a job is the objective (at least for me). The culture is different and so is the way the Airline does business. If your a proud pilot and think your too good to be a "contract pilot" then stay home. All of us here have had, to some degree, learn that this is not the West. This place is humbling and you'll soon realize that your not at home anymore. ie. If your one of those pilots that has a big stick up your..you know what...pull it out and leave it at home. This is Asia and they do things differently ! This country is 30 years behind the USA in aviation theory and practice. That goes from the ATC system right down to CRM and the way you are treated! Lastly I like to add something about WASINC and other head hunters. There are many posts that say good thing and bad things. I even have some of my own opinions but, remember what they (headhunters) are here for. They connect you with a job and get $$ each month that you stay. The contract that you agree to is black and white..read it! After that, you'll still run into issues when you get over here; that is a fact. SO, realize who pays the bills for WASINC (and others). They can not manipulate your contract after you realize that something is screwed up. ...and there will be things that are screwed up. |
EPASZ, good points... I agree with most...
Are you with Shenzhen or Juneyao??? JJ P.S. The Sunway Hotel ROCKS! :cool: |
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EPASZ, good points... I agree with most... Are you with Shenzhen or Juneyao??? JJ P.S. The Sunway Hotel ROCKS! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/cool.gif Of course Sunway hotel rocks (for the area it is in)...better than all the other great hotels u find in that pitty little village....hope u had a walk in there and see. lol :ugh: |
LOL... Well crap! Sichuan or OKay? I don't fly to Shenzhen so no clue who are dominant carriers there. Anyway safe flying!
Yep, have walked all over that village several times, and have got to "barter" in price with the ladies at the store just to the rt of the Sunway! hahaha :ok: |
Its my learned opinion that you must be really hard up for a job if you are actively seeking employment in the land of the PRC......just ask Lei Feng :ok:
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If crews are staying at the Sunway.....walk past the golf course and take a left at the first light. Walk down road towards the final to 15. Big thached roof seafood restaurant on left side. Good view, good food, cold beers and nice waitresses. Cheap too!
VRSC :ok: Cannot read the name of restaurant though. |
FO Cokebottle Its my learned opinion that you must be really hard up for a job if you are actively seeking employment in the land of the PRC...
As I left my 6 figure job in the states and NOT looking back! := It all depends on who do you got to work for. Such a generalized statement is a bit immature and well uneducated! PEACE! :ok: |
JotaJota,
Not to get into a pi@#ing contest with you :cool:, but you really have missed the point of the post. Take care and hope you get recalled soon. F.O.C. |
Its my learned opinion that you must be really hard up for a job if you are actively seeking employment in the land of the PRC......just ask Lei Feng |
wsss,
Don't forget about 9R as well.:ok: |
FO Cokebottle
JotaJota, Not to get into a pi@#ing contest with you , but you really have missed the point of the post. Take care and hope you get recalled soon. F.O.C. I agree! I must have missed it!!! :eek: Oh and I am NOT furloughed, and have never been in my whole career! := Still a few years and a lot of changes before I return to my previous US Airline. What a JOKE! Peace... |
Don't come for less than 10K a month US.
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I agree!
$12,000 to 14,000 USD per month seems to be standard. But have heard of new contracts coming lower. BS if anyone accepts one at a lower compensation... :ugh: |
Thanks very much to all those who have contributed to this thread, and who have contacted me privately.
As I said, this is for a Bizjet job, not an airline job (Been there done that), so thanks again. |
Yep....10k is offered by Wasinc....not good.
Not sure if DP or RISH have lowered the bar too. Sanya...no longer available |
Yep....10k is offered by Wasinc....not good.
Not sure if DP or RISH have lowered the bar too. Sanya...no longer available Sanya will be THE base!!! Some of you might not like it, as it's a REAL 3rd world country, and nothing like any big city in mainland China... and did I said that the pay SUCKS! DP refused to take the contract, so only those two have it. JY, Sich and Shen have much better contracts now... |
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