Air Macau-money trouble
 

Quotes from June's "Message from CEO":

"Amidst the misery of unprecedented soaring fuel price, carriers all over the world are suffering from different degree of heavy losses indeed. As to overcome this global threat, all of them are vigorously rolling out array of measures on accelerating income in parallel with cost retrenchment for the time being. Some of them even kicked off the drastic schemes on staff layoff, salary reduction, fading out/grounding the fleet … etc. For the sake of NX survival:eek:, we have also rolled out all possible measures on accelerating income:confused: and cost retrenchment:confused:; nevertheless the management would never sacrifice the prevailing staff salary by all means:sad:.

Meanwhile, the management is also trying every attempt to pursue the supports from different channels:ugh:, in order to eliminate all unnecessary cost burdens on NX shoulders:(. As for internal, I would urge all of staff members to work with cautious manner on tackling such severe challenge in aviation history through extending your unremitting support towards the corporate movement on accelerating revenue + cost management measures without sacrificing the services quality and safety."

:mad:So what have we been doing?


Does anyone else read this and think this is the CEO saying the end is coming very soon?:eek:

See you in the Middle East.....:ok:

Its sounds to me hes gonna layoffb some staff from Taipei and other stations.

Front cover of today's Macau Daily Times says Air Macau lost MOP100m in 4 months:eek:. Based on this, looks like something has to happen before the end of August:suspect:.

The PORTUGUESE Inspector from AACM is an ex- Air Macau pilot
( twice) and is a man with a mission against Air Macau:=:=

Actually I find it rather strange that a Portuguese newspaper the Daily Times seems hell bent on destroying air macau........ Did anyone see their article on the 5th July. Rather strange that they know so much but dont seem to know what aircraft NX flies......... Portuguese negative propoganda in my view, probably because of the corrupt displaced mindless ex Portuguese management , acting in true style Bet there will be a boat for sale soon :suspect::suspect::suspect: get the gist???

Air Macau on the brink of collapse?
 

http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/i...11/08jul11.jpg

Crap newspaper crap article....... fed piece by piece to the newspaper by the ex lets guess who, could it be the former management of NX sooooooo obvious and with lots of help by another insider Portuguese, yup we know who you are....... ... big brother is watching you :ok::ok:You think the previous managment could do better. I think not. Partys over guys, and if you have not noticed there are some mega big buildings here crawling with Yanks, Brits Aussies. Time to go home you did nothing for the little enclave and they will be glad to see the back of you...... Well not all of you of course but those that cant let go.....:E:E Oh and take the Daily Times with you perhaps they can do some plane spotting and watch B777s taking off, cos thats what they seem to think NX fly, ( refer article 5th July):=

Bored As, you are obviously pretty bored as you are posting this here there and everywhere.......... which part do you fit into are you scared of loosing you job or are you one of those actively trying to see the demise of Air Macau...... we get the message:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Conspiracy
 

I hear MAX staff all fired. True or false? Is the old VPFO trying to get revenge?

MAX never ever operated. There leased A320 aircraft have been returned end of March and are now operating with another airline. MAX was a dead born airline.

China support of Air Macau not confirmed http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/t...pdf_button.png http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/t...rintButton.png http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/t...mailButton.png Wednesday, 16 July 2008 News from China indicates that David Fei, the company's CEO, did not get the full support Air Macau’s Sunday statement made believe.
The online edition of Air Transport World, a monthly magazine specialising in aviation, yesterday quoted Air China’s Board Secretary Huang Bin acknowledging “Air Macau's request for help”.
Huang said “CA will determine a solution with other NX [Air Macau] stakeholders, including TAP Portugal's SEAP investment fund (15 percent), casino company Sociedade de Turismo e Diversoes de Macau (14 percent), the Macau government and EVA Air. CA holds a 51 percent stake”.
The company statement said Air Macau has reached a strategic cooperation agreement with CA and that aid will be extended soon.
Air China had singed several cooperative agreements with Air Macau, the announcement said, and it will start special support to its subsidiary in the near future. But insiders pointed out that the assets of Air Macau were less than 5 percent of Air China's, according to Trading Markets.
The airline has not contributed much to the parent company's profits in these past years, Trading Markets added.
According to other media reports, Air China is believed to have sent letters to other shareholders calling for a meeting to address the financial stringency caused by high fuel costs. Air China is expected to buy out shareholders who are reluctant to commit further funds to the troubled carrier.

Macau Daily Times - China support of Air Macau not confirmed

and

Air Macau Lost 200mn Macao Dollars in H1

Aviation authority receives report from Air Macau
 

Macau Daily Times - Aviation authority receives report from Air Macau

Yes B747 and you point is????? Check the ICAO and JAA rulings on this?
The Captain is within his rights. FULL STOP.... and this is old news, and stop quoting crap from crap newspapers on this thread, has anyone got anything correct to say other than tabloid rubbish

I would have assumed that Macau ANR's would have applied.

Part XIII, General Paragraph 78
Obstruction of Person
A person shall not wilfully obstruct or impede any entity acting in the excercise of his/her powers or performance of his/her duties under this Regulation.

Part XIII, General, Paragraph 79
Enforcement of Directions
Any person who fails to comply with any direction given to him/her by the Civil Aviation Authority or by any authorised entity under any provision of this Regulation or any regulations made or requirements notified there under shall be deemed for the purposes of this Regulation to have contravened that provision.

Wrong assumption
 

slightly_amused, if you weren't so biased in pushing on with your agenda (we all know where it's coming from), you might also want to look at the other side, but this exercise would weaken the purpose of your standing on this issue, wouldn't it? Notwithstanding, here is something else to clarify your narrow mind:

AIR MACAU FLIGHT OPERATIONS MANUAL (you probably know this is an official document approved by AACM):

"Admission to the flight deck is under the authority of the Commander.

In the interest of security, no person, other than the flight crew members assigned to a flight, should be admitted to, or carried in, the flight deck unless this person is a company staff, or a representative of the authority responsible for certification, licensing or inspection, or if this person is required for performance of his official duties.

The final decision regarding the admission to the flight deck of any person mentioned above rests with the Commander who shall request identification of such persons before granting such admission.

Persons duly authorised by the Authority, entitled to enter and remain on the flight deck in order to be able to perform their duties, shall only be denied access by the Commander if he deems this necessary in the interest of safety."

"The person shall be instructed to:
- Not distract and / or interfere with the operation of the flight
- Not touch any controls, switches, instruments, circuit breakers
- Not smoke
- Not talk unless invited to do so by the Commander"

Please feel free to keep amusing us with your posts.

False. MAX is still here but most of staffs were left and went to Air Macau as a help hand.:confused: Which means MAX is here but the office is empty.:uhoh:

What has MAX got to do with it?
 

I presume the reference to MAX is a belated response to posts from Just - Du - It and B747 - 800?

If MAX is not dead it belies belief. The MAX business model was based on a concession from NX (supposedly a result of Government arm-twisting) that would have seen MAX doing the very things that NX has to do to save itself. Why NX would be the majority share holder in an attempt to steal their life boats whilst they rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic makes no sense. MAX was always a smoke screen politically aimed at destroying the TAP will to survive in Macau. The MAX Chairman (and NX director) has form (in HKG) in this respect. NX themselves pulled the plug on MAX.

The NX business model is now bust in addition to having a totally inept management. The Taiwan - mainland market is about to suffer rigor mortis. The chances that the residue of MAX management is gainfully employed in NX is very unlikely seeing they had a little less than abiding love for each other.

Notwithstanding the usual entertaining yet self centered pprune comment on this thread, NX is a hopeless case - government support; preferential treatment; a concession on any routes it wants; a regulatory authority in its pocket; resident in the territory with the highest GDP in Asia and unable to make a go of it?

NX needs competent shareholders, a strategic direction and new management + investment to survive - the rather tasteless racist and xenophobic comment on this thread is sadly irrelevant. That being said it would be lovely if they could survive for the sake of the few good men.

Air Macau and Cathay being majority Chinese owned airlines now. There IS the chance that they will be allowed to fly cross strait flights in the next couple of years. Provided Air Macau lasts that long. Cathay should be fine, even with a severe reduction in its Taiwan-HK-China business??

Far Eastern Airlines of Taiwan didnt last long enough to enjoy Cross Straits flights going on now.

Since the Chinese govt owns a large part of NX and CX. If these airlines were suffering because of the direct Taiwan / China flights, its conceivable that the Chinese govt will ask the Taiwan side to allow NX and CX to participate in cross strait flights. And since CX and NX already have an established presence in Taiwan (especially CX) there is reason to believe that the TAiwan side will be willing to accomodate.

The US is also pressuring Taiwan to allow American airlines to continue on to China for US to Taiwan flights. I think this will be accomodated within five years.

Without being offensive I must point out that anyone who believes there is any comparison between NX and CX has been on the funny mushrooms!

Real model
 

The Macau pig is sleeping too long. It was monpoly in old days, taking advantage in concession routes in China and Taiwan, under government's shelter. Now another Macau based airlines is here, other foreigner airlines fly into macau, direct flight from Taiwan to China, high fuel price.......those arrows are shooting into its heart. But it still not awake to think and act, just let it bleeding until death.
It is a real model for other airlines to see what will cause you death.:ugh:
It is hopeless for those key peoples still hiding in the office and just only ask for help.
If they can not suffer from the heat in the kitchen, better leave.:=
The earth is continuing to rotate without you. Don't try to stop it.:E

"tonylollo"
Portuguese negative propoganda in my view, probably because of the corrupt displaced mindless ex Portuguese management , acting in true style Bet there will be a boat for sale soon get the gist???:(

Crap newspaper crap article....... fed piece by piece to the newspaper by the ex:(

Only someone with absolutely no brains prefers to brush the crap under the carpet.
If there is smoke, point it out and lets look to see if there is a fire. Only someone hell bent in hiding something would call investigative reporting "negative propaganda".
Whether its a Portuguese or not, does it matter? But one thing you can be sure, The Airport, the Airline and the Casino's in Macau only exit because the ex Portuguese made it so.

"B747-800"
MAX was a dead born airline.:(

What is better an airline that maybe can make it on its own if NX allows it than to keep feeding NX with cash just to keep it running at the discontent of not only its employees but also its share holders. Sure, CA will inject capital, after-all we are in the Olympic Games and the light must not only shine but in must glow in all things Chinese, but maybe not for long. As even the newspapers state the capital involved in NX is a pittance for CA.

"alvega"
Admission to the flight deck is under the authority of the Commander.:8

Its all very good and true for the average PAX, but if you had a little more experience and world knowledge you would know not to support a Captain that had a childish tantrum by not allowing the the inspector on-board. After-all what would have been the worst that could happen. At landing request removal of the CVR and have it sent to AACM for analysis if he was that sure of himself. The Captain in the event was obviously not as confident and cocky as its assumed by the media and hence was scared of allowing an old timer on board. By the way,all the old timer does rumble a lot, he does make good points when it comes to flight safety, something that is scarce in NX.

Chin up boys, your day in the job seekers queue is coming soon, if you can not find a way to present a united front regardless of the form you speak the language of camões.:ok:

Bigbadass....... I do hope what you state is an opinion and you really dont believe the rubbish you are spouting. ...... tell me an airline that does not
have problems for the moment but do we need to kick them when we are down. Ulterior motives my man!! are you in the desert yet:ok:

My dear "Bigbadass", it seems to me that your big bad rear is in fact a lot bigger than your brain.

Show me one single newspaper in Macau that practices investigative reporting (or any one mainstream news media around the world, for that matter) and I will be willing to offer you one month of my salary. They all work within the (very safe and cozy) "politically correct" environment and I could give you numerous examples both in Macau and elsewhere, but I challenge you to do some research instead. Wake up and specially, grow up!

The experience and world knowledge (how arrogant of you!!) I have are exactly the source of my worries about people like you. I've known the above mentioned Captain for much longer than you can imagine and the same goes for that AACM "inspector". Again, I could give you numerous examples about both of them and others, but I'm beginning to get the feeling that I'm wasting my time on you. Of course it is much easier to read all the rubbish (out of spite in this case, and this is a hint if you haven't noticed) that comes out on the news everyday than trying to dig a bit deeper into it and draw the right conclusions.

The best thing the "old timer" did on behalf of flight safety ever, was to retire from flying. We're all safer in the skies nowadays. And if you don't know (I somehow think you do) his fame preceded him from as far back as Africa and by the way, do you know his story in DHL ? You see, when someone starts a war (which is exactly what happened. Another hint) preparations are in order to avoid these stories surfacing. Embarrassing indeed, but it's a small world and what goes around, comes around sooner or later.


Best regards Bigbadass (whoever you are or whatever your agenda is)

Pathetic bunch...

Get a life all of you!!!!

Surrounded by idiots!!!

Mr. Alvega,
There you go again, instead of seeing someone that has retired and is trying to do his best, you assume that because he was buddies with old management he must have ulterior motives.

What happened in the past (whether Brazil, DHL, Gulf Air, Air Macau, Gulf Air, Air Macau, some rich Arab, DGAC, AACM, etc). Don't forget how many guys he has helped to get the JAA license. Yes I do know all the persons concerned as well as you!

Regarding other airlines, have a look at BA (who reported a better than expected profit this year) Singapore Airlines, ANA, Cathay Airlines. If Air Macau CEOs haven't been so hell bent in not changing the modus operandi because it proved successful in the past, maybe the story would be different. Apart from the first Singaporean CEO all others have been Chinese with nothing to accomplish other than keeping status quo.

Don't go tell me that its unfair to compare NX with the likes of CX, after-all that was the reason the present CEO used to start the A-300-600 cargo fleet (part of the reason for him to remove the ex-VPFO - for he did not facilitate it as much as the CEO would have liked) which now seems to be backfiring!

Cargo, the guy is completely nuts, the infrastructure for the cargo operations has been on the drawing table of the Macau government but not yet implemented (cargo terminal now completed but still no road or rail links up and running) and this guy jumps the gun and gets the aircraft for he has a buddy in Taiwan that will sell them on the cheap ! Nice way to do things.

As SYLVERSURFER states the problems are not within the pilot department, but half of the guys within the Air Macau PPrune frame seem to try to point their finger at a very small group of pilots for the troubles (half of these pilots no longer operate in NX!).

Regarding your view on the media, maybe you have been hiding away over the last century or so, which is full of examples of scandals exposed by the media, check the internet. Of course not all investigative reporting has to be in as grand a scale as the watergate. But where there is smoke ...

Ask why the FTD had to be paid by the present management when it was donated by Airbus way before these guys took over! Maybe the same reason for the hurry in getting the A-300-600. Is there something fishy here???

Anyway, lets hope the end of the Olympics does not bring any further gloom and doom to NX. 10% decrease in traffic at the time of the start of direct flights, will hopefully prove to be a good omen, but most likely it just means that a lot of clients were fearful of another backtrack by either the Chinese or Taiwanese authorities, the future will tell. I am preparing my CV just incase.

Vietnam seems a good stepping stone for previous NX pilots.

Solution for Air Macau
 

Fire anybody with a portuguese accent. (Flapsssssssssssss, Fuuuuuuuuul, Cheeeekkkkeeeeeedaaaa, Armeddddd, This is not standard!!!! Document 44444444444 whatever!!!!!!!!!!!, you get the point lol lol lol)

No, just my conspiracy paranoia.

One of them, perhaps? OOOPS!!

This is the best joke I've read so far.

It's the other half that bothers me.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Who sets the fire alight? Don't always believe all you read, the other half of the truth is missing most of the time. My conspiracy paranoia again, sorry.

Very fishy indeed! specially the FTD part. It was never donated by Airbus. I don't know where you got that idea. You are misinformed, to say the least.

Tiger Airways estreia-se nos resultados positivos
A Tiger Airways, que tem rotas a ligar o território a Manila e a Singapura, anunciou ontem
lucros de 218 milhões de patacas no ano contabilístico que terminou em Março. Esta é a
primeira vez que a operadora aérea de baixo custo fecha as contas no “verde” desde o seu
lançamento, em 2004. No ano passado, a Tiger Airways tinha registado prejuízos de 82,6
milhões de patacas. A companhia, baseada na Cidade-Estado e na Austrália, revelou ainda
que o número de passageiros cresceu 73,7 por cento no segundo semestre deste ano,
comparado com igual período de 2007.

This basically states, that against the tidal wave of the world economy, fuel prices etc., Tiger Airways has made a large profit. Something that all those NX CEO lovers think is impossible.

Yes Alvega, your arrogance does suggest that you live with your head buried deep in the black sands of Coloane. Most likely you are one of those that had been given a managerial position by the new administration but you proved not to be as capable as you suggest to be and hence gave up on the position.

Anyhow, I hope more guys follow my example and start applying for other jobs, as no doubt NX monopoly status should be revoked soon by the government which no doubt will result in total collapse, although, not before we have another display of pilot gentlemanly behaviour well know in NX, fist fighting, name calling etc., preferably in full view of the passengers.

Cheers and see you at OTT.

I take my hat off to the voice of one good soul in these dark hours.

My information I assure you is 100% correct, maybe you shouldn't be so fast to trust what is said but rather ask to see documentation.

But of course by now with the old pilot management out of the way, maybe not so easy to get the proof, those beautiful shredding machines can do wonders.

Call it what you want, but when even the TAP representative in Macau states that the current crisis is not due to fuel price because the amount allocated for fuel in the budget was not spent, then the financial state must be for ... Corruption, embezzlement, misappropriation, theft, stealing, robbery, thieving, pilfering, purloining, pilferage, appropriation, swindling !!!

Bigbadass,

This dialog is going nowhere. I insist that your FTD idea is flawed. I don't know what kind of documents you have seen, but I saw a few too and I maintain what I've stated on this matter.

For once we are in tune. I agree entirely. Only one thing, this TAP representative is no choir boy either.

Regards

the information is correct.
few MAX guys are now working in NX ( attending the so called orientation programme). the guy suffering from the ferry accident was offering 1. to take no pay leabe or 2. to resign.

Is NX a State run company? :=

Did it ever provide cheap tickets to Macau residents? :=

Is it easy to buy a ticket for travel with NX from a travel agent in Macau? :=

If your answer to all these questions was NO, ada boy go to the front of the class!!! :ok:

NX never did care Macanese travellers, never did equate their travel needs within is plans nor cater for the Macau travel agencies! :ooh:

Its only care was to get the Taiwanese traveller to China, and of course now its realising that, this principle was fine for launch but it should have done a lot more. :bored:

Even little young Viva Macau knows this and is trying to capitalise in this deficiency of NX, but of course with monopoly at its core, Macau aviation is basically castrated and going no where fast!!! :uhoh:

what i'm about to ask will probably make you all burst into a big laught!!!

but hey?? if thats the case...at least it will release a bit the pressure goign on on this thread!!

i just wanted to ask you guys if there will be any chance for a FO who passed the interview with airmacau in march to be called inn for the job anytime soon?

funny enought?:-)

well...i mean...is it really that bad?? got 0 time on type...and bloody hell...it would have done good to me to get that job!!!:-(

is there absolutely no hope for airmacau to survive the disasters they are facing now?

let me know if you want/care,

ciao
Alex

austra1998

Man if you have to ask, maybe you need to ask mother if you can put the landing gear down before landing! :confused:

But seriously, any chance you have to land a job on a jet (specially a A320) just jump into it with everything you got. Que sera sera as they say.

Good luck, one thing is for sure, you will learn a lot with NX!!!
:ok:

Yeah youll learn Portuguese and how to get by in aviation without any english.

Fubaliera

Excellent example of the decrepit mentality that putrefies the sky around Macau. :mad:

The guy has problem writing English (maybe to pretend not to be a Brit) but uses it against others... good job :ouch:

No matter what you think of your work place atmosphere etc, one thing you all nut-cases (half-wits, dunces, dolts, ignoramus, cretins, morons, imbeciles, simpletons, nincompoops, blockheads, jug-heads, boneheads, knuckle-heads, dumb-asses, dipsticks, thick-heads, meat-heads, pinheads, pea-brains, birdbrains, jerks, nerds, donkeys, nitwits, twits, dingbats) have to admit that you are glad to have landed a job on the A320. Most of you in this thread probably got your type rating with NX. So zip it up if you have nothing good to say to an aviation newcomer!

Remember how you felt in his position and give sound advise ONLY. :cool:

If he joins NX and the worst comes to worst and NX closes he gets a type rating for free, what better than that!!!

Otherwise, he joins gets his hours and is free to let his license roam around looking for a new job. Remember the one legacy still intact in NX (maybe not for long) is that guys with this license have been able to land a job in just about any Airline (Singapore, Korea, UK, Spain, Malaysia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Vietnam, Khazakstan, Qatar, Portugal, Sharjah, etc.).

By the way, for those with deficient English:
Legacy - a thing handed down by a predecessor

ok...thanks for the answers so far...

but let me ask again....do you guys know if macau is still in a position to require the services of FO's with zero time on type?

thanks,

alex

Arrowhead you say???
 

Saw Arrowhead the other day, so he's definitely not departed the fix......................yet. :E

I would suggest he's keeping busy with "other" things, rather than worry about the pending implosion of NX.