Well, you can give it a try and let the rest of us know, eh? ;)

...hmmm after reading that post regarding the 747 chap... i guess i'll be taking my coat and leave this up to you guys.... :}

heard that they make you sign 2 contracts. 1 english, 1 chinese. but in case of any dispute, the chinese must be followed. now, how do you know if the chinese and english contracts are the same if you are not able to read chinese?

how is the T&C compared to other carriers in the region?

any other inputs on this?

All contracts involving a non Chinese speaker/reader should read "The binding language of this contract shall be English." Even English teachers get that!

Well be thankful they didn't offer to base you in Tibet... :ugh:

then again, maybe the per diem for Lhasa would be quite high....... "Personal Safety Allowance" ;)

Heard from mates in SQ,

You don't actually see the actual legal binding chinese contract with GWA until you are six months into the system. This is inclusive of the type-rating and chinese APTL conversion.

By then, it is too late when all the promised terms & conditions in the original letter of offer are reduced by half.

AJ

AJ

That's right. SIA cargo would have bonded you and collected SGD35000, or SGD55000 from you as bank guarantee.

Your legal English contract with SIA cargo expires once you have completed your conversion training after 6 months. You will be transferred to GWA, where you will now be thrown with an actual legal Chinese contract, with reduced terms & conditions that were originally promised and advertised.

You can't really do much at this stage, after having committed yourself for six-eight months to Greatwall. You can leave, if you are willing to lose your SGD35000, or SGD55000. Signing the Chinese contract, will also lead you into a 1.9 million RMB debt if you decide to leave later.

Genghis

Genghis2,

you just told some scary ghost stories!:eek:

It's all true

Fair Pilot....

That's probably the facts. These are genuire facts, according to my good folks in SQ.

And no pilot has joined GWA since mid-2006.

Do you believe they are facts now? The statistics tells itself.

AJ

If that's the case, I personally think we have the obligation to warn other pilots against joining GWA at all cost!

Heard the latest thread from SQ pals,

8 days on, 6 days off for transmile MD11 pilots

no bond

These were the new carrots offered to the furlough transmile pilots

Any truth?

AJ

GWA
 

it is better to ask them the package before you leave

GWA
 

hi
you better ask the company the whole package before you leave .

GWA
 

is there anybody who can tell us the good side of GWA?
i read the bad side up to now.

The only good side is flying those "helicopters" in Shanghai..... if you know what i mean ;)

Those SQ guys will be able to fill you in about this... Heard one of them went for his "training" and ended up having to passenger back home, after she "crash landed on him"! I think they'd call that a "Shanghai auto-rotation".... :D:E

Gengis
 

Would you mind to elaborate better on your statement? It looks like chinese for the non initiated...

After what we learned here could be anything positive on a miserable outfit like this? Chinese contracts, lies, prision??? It is a shame somebody could even consider join such a mafia!!!!

I'm sorry - it's got nothing to do with aviation. Apparently it's one of those sleazy late-nite hanky panky activities that some people get up to in Shanghai.

To get back to the point, there is NO good thing about this company as far as flying goes. About the only thing that might entice one to take a longer look at it is the fact that you can have lots of days OFF in Shanghai, if you have a special reason for wanting to be there on a more extended basis.

I shan't elaborate further on what others have already so eloquently said. Bottom line - go at your own risk

Akistar,

What you heard is very true. No bond/bank guarantee for us Transmile boys and the days off sounds about right which will allow us to commute back to KL.

Mr Green,

Obviously you have not dug deep enough into the MAS grapevine. All the MAS guys know about what's going on. Haven't you read that article in the 'union' website......

Back to the topic,

You guys have not understood the the 1.9million saga. Greatwall makes it applicable to anyone who tries to leave, with or without a bond. Basically, if you try to jump ship in China, Greatwall wants 1.9 million from u, regardless of whether you have a bond or no bond. Read the previous article on this thread in pprune.

Also, do you think they will pay you the same as the rest of the guys if they pay for your type-ratings? Never happens in SQ for the last 30 years....do you Greatwall will rock the boat.....How naive......they do what everyone is doing ...pay you a lower salary than what they suppose to pay you initially for that position. Have you not heard that guys, with the same level of experiences, are getting different salaries in Greatwall.

8 days work/ 6 days off. Have you not heard of AOGWL??

AO ...GWL or AOG ...WL ? Every sector and every other day, there is a delay, quite often more than 24 hrs....wonder how you could 8 on/ 6 off/8 on/6 off in a month?????? Even the rostering officer has resigned in Jan.....

Your 8 days are basically on a long COP of 7-8 days . This is to cut cost for the company, bec you are not paid per diem or any meal/nightstop allowances, wherelse the SQ seconded guys get meal/nightstop allowances.

Then comes the AOG......and you have already paid for your firm tickets. GW will not, I repeat, will not reimburse you if you can't make it for your flight home. Do that once a month...and you will be pissed off.
Most times, it happens to a lot of guys.

Please go and read MAS rumours website, if you know what I mean....talk to the MAS guys....dug deeply ...

Genghis